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Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by djsumdog »

dannyw wrote: post #15
pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

Google’s style is “develop, control, prioritize, monoplize”.

It's like Microsoft in the 90s/00s with embracing and extending.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by jnordwick »

So this is just blantantly breaking email for non Gmail clients is sounds like. I was actually already thinking or trying anther email provider out of curiosity anyways. The problem is gmail is already so locked into my phone and everything. I can't even completely remove gmail from there either.

Meta: My top two stories on HN right now are Google press releases. Just rename HN to Google News are be done with it.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by djsumdog »

dannyw wrote: post #9

With AMP for Email, Google is keeping users within Gmail when when they’re interacting with your website or service. The strategy of Google / AMP is clear: using its monopoly to convert the open web into properties of Google. AMP is as “open” as Adobe Flash (Flex, etc) is open. Sure, it may he open source, but it is encumbered by license keys (see: AMP Cache), special privileges (again see: Google search cache), and…

It's like we're back in the days of AOL keywords

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by crustyapple »

OberstKrueger wrote: post #40
odammit wrote: post #33

I’m curious, what you all think the future of email is? I am finding that I use it less and less each year. How much are you using it compared to previous years? - My friend communication is done almost strictly through messaging services - work communication is done through Slack and Jira (yuck) I feel like email for me has become this awkward auth-proxy. It’s how I magic link in, “confirm” who I am, reset my passwo…

I use e-mail just as much today as I did 10-15 years ago. Some communication takes place in real-time messaging services, but e-mail is still useful for long-form communication, and less timely messages. IMing can't replace e-mail for me for all purposes.

My experience has been similar. IM is nice for quick questions when the other user is at their desk, but for anything important it has to be done over email/paper.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by heartbreak »

cup-of-tea wrote: post #39
pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

Why is it the only form? You can certainly run your own IRC or Jabber server or something. I don't understand why you think only email can be run top to bottom. Unfortunately email became stupid a long time ago. Partly thanks to braindead clients like Outhouse and partly thanks to Gmail. Remember when Gmail came out and they advertised "threads" as a feature? Yeah... we had threads before Outhouse et al. proliferated…

It's pretty confusing to refer to Microsoft Outlook as "Outhouse."

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by oldpond »

siavash wrote: post #3

What really are the long term motivations for Google to promote and push AMP so much?

Get 'em hooked on something 'free', then monetize it. Rinse and repeat. Just like they are building a browser that only blocks the 'annoying ads', now they are designing their email to let advertising through. So much for 'don't be evil'.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by tho9Ohx1eo »

whyagaindavid wrote: post #38

For all the criticism of Google/Gmail/AMP at least the spec is open. AMP allows me to browse with minimal data.

I guess not everyone is having tens on gigabytes for 5€ like me, but hell, even if the megabyte is more expensive than gold in some fucked up economy does that mean everyone should sell their soul to google and the likes?

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by MadQA »

beagle3 wrote: post #42
CaptSpify wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This matches my experience as well. I rarely if ever get sent to a spam folder. And afaik, I've never been blacklisted after ~5 years.

I have everything properly set up, and wasn’t blacklisted once in any service since 2002.... until 3 months ago, when Google decided to blacklist my domain, but only randomly (e.g. mails sent to same person on same day get delivered to inbox or spam seemingly based on a coin toss). The only clue I have so far is that in some discussion, it was mentioned that google penalizes a domain of a lot of different emails from…

Have you tried to check https://postmaster.google.com/? You _may_ get an insight on what went wrong those 3 months ago
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