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Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by ejcx »

pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

I hope email disappears. It has no security, bad tooling and software, weird protocols. Ip reputation has long been a thing in email.

You can own IRC as well. I feel like your 3 cons are my three pros.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by [deleted] »

randomString1 wrote: post #12
pmlnr wrote: post #4

I genuinely fear the future of email. Email is still the only piece of communication you can own, from top to bottom, from running the service to owning the domain[^1] it runs on. You were able to send anyone email, regardless of rank, location, social status. Google (and recently, Outlook) is taking all of it away. It's putting mail from people not on your contact list in spam[^3]; it's by default blaclisting IPs wi…

Email is already fucked. In my experience Gmail often failed to receive emails from services like Yandex and Zoho. Plenty of people here that setup their own servers, and know what they are doing, getting randomly blacklisted. Maybe it's fine if email is not central to your life or business but if there's even a, let's say, 10% chance of my emails not getting delivered to Mr Google I have no other option than to bend…

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Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by kuschku »

hungerstrike wrote: post #19

And just yesterday I was searching for a way to get further away from AMP. For now, the only way is to always ask for the Desktop Site when I search. Unfortunately, iOS Safari doesn't allow me to set this per site and I have to do it manually every single time I search.

Use Firefox Mobile, Google hasn’t deployed AMP for that yet.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by strictnein »

therealmarv wrote: post #7

So with AMP for email can I run timer based or mouse movement based modifying email contents??? When yes: spam mails will love it.

And based on Google's prioritization of AMP results in search, I wonder if they'll offer some sort of benefit to emails supporting AMP? If so, spammers will be the first ones on board.

Want to see some examples of the most fully configured SPF, DKIM, etc records? Look at spam. The big boys take advantage of it all.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by mtgx »

"We heard you like our browser, so we put another browser inside our browser."

And you thought email phishing was bad now. Wait until this thing goes live.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by CaptSpify »

kuschku wrote: post #20
randomString1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is already fucked. In my experience Gmail often failed to receive emails from services like Yandex and Zoho. Plenty of people here that setup their own servers, and know what they are doing, getting randomly blacklisted. Maybe it's fine if email is not central to your life or business but if there's even a, let's say, 10% chance of my emails not getting delivered to Mr Google I have no other option than to bend…

On the other hand, I’ve had only good experiences with self-hosting my email. I’ve never had issues with being blacklisted or anything. But I’ve been sending with SPF + DKIM + DMARC + ADSP all configured and enabled since day one, and with TLS transport for all sent emails. That usually gives a major boost in trustworthiness.

This matches my experience as well. I rarely if ever get sent to a spam folder. And afaik, I've never been blacklisted after ~5 years.

Re: Bringing AMP to Gmail

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Post by megous »

kuschku wrote: post #20
randomString1 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Email is already fucked. In my experience Gmail often failed to receive emails from services like Yandex and Zoho. Plenty of people here that setup their own servers, and know what they are doing, getting randomly blacklisted. Maybe it's fine if email is not central to your life or business but if there's even a, let's say, 10% chance of my emails not getting delivered to Mr Google I have no other option than to bend…

On the other hand, I’ve had only good experiences with self-hosting my email. I’ve never had issues with being blacklisted or anything. But I’ve been sending with SPF + DKIM + DMARC + ADSP all configured and enabled since day one, and with TLS transport for all sent emails. That usually gives a major boost in trustworthiness.

Unless your IP address is deemed being in a bad block. Then all of the above is not even checked (on outlook.com, that is).
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