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Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Post by cbzbc »

zem wrote: post #69
Pigo wrote: post #48

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I know this is one tiny use case, but it's one that's bothered me for some time. I can't change my profile picture without it becoming a huge news story for family and "friends" to comment on. I change a little picture of me, remove the event from my timeline, and I still get hokey comments or messages reminding me how bored and lonely everyone I know must be. I severely miss when it was just a place to chat up a cut…

I can't comment on a friend's public post without it being broadcast to my timeline! this is the one dark feature that has most affected any good feelings I might have had towards facebook and my usage thereof

Sure, but that's because the post is public - I agree that it probably makes people increasingly unwilling to comment on such things.

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Post by gambiting »

mysterypie wrote: post #209
beamatronic wrote: post #60

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Hmm. Most folks I know address the colleague issue with a "no current coworkers" policy. (Not to imply you should immediately add newly-former coworkers).

> a "no current coworkers" policy So if someone asks, Can you add me on FB? Would you reply?: No, I have a no current coworkers policy. Is there a way to do this without hurting people's feelings?

I was in this situation many times and I have always replied with "sorry, I keep my facebook friends only to the closest group of friends and family". Never had any negative reaction to it(apart from my friend's crazy ex who decided he should absolutely break up all contact with me immediately and never talk to me again because I refused to accept her invitation literally within 5 minutes of receiving it).

I also frequently go through the list of my friends and remove everyone I haven't spoken to in a while, keeping my friends well below 100.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Post by pentae »

thestepafter wrote: post #54

I signed up for Facebook recently after deleting my account 9 years ago. I was banned within 30 minutes after updating my work history and a profile photo. Submitted an appeal with my drivers license and passport. Unbanned in a couple hours. Kept building my profile over the next couple days and was banned 3 more times. Submitted appeals each time with all the requested information. Nothing malicious, political, or s…

I just went through the same experience trying to set up paid ads. My account was suspended for "suspicious activity" and despite sending in a photo of my credit card with my thumb over the first 12 digits they still denied me. In the end after multiple engagements it was approved.

It lasted 24 hours before it was suspended again and had to do the whole thing all over again with the same copy/pasted responses.

Their fraud system is an absolute joke.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Post by mercer »

fabianhjr wrote: post #307
oneshot908 wrote: post #117

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All true, but the Eternal September for me came when I lost control of my feed to arbitrary ML algorithms attempting to maximize shareholder value whilst alienating the fewest users. I think someone could recreate early FB on the blockchain and take a huge chunk of interesting people off of the two current awful choices. Because I do remember the time when it was fun to reconnect with people and follow their lives th…

There is already SSB / Patchwork that was recently feautred here in HackerNews. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16273096 https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/

and if I understand correctly, the 'log' of your activity is basically a blockchain!

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Post by Yizahi »

greenhouse_gas wrote: post #112
jasode wrote: post #15

Facebook suffered from 2 waves of "Eternal September" [0]: wave 1: the addition of everybody outside your immediate friends and close family. You get the goofy uncle, the distant high school acquaintances, and all the work acquaintances from every previous job that submitted a "friend request" that you didn't reject out of politeness. The newsfeed gets polluted by nonsense such as forwarded memes, politics, and other…

What I don't understand is what is FB thinking? Look at it this way: What do I want to see? Friend's image/text > Group image/text > Pages I like image/text > Friends of Friends image/text > Memes > Ads. What does FB want me to see? Ads > Doesn't matter. So what do they do? Ads > Memes > Friends of Friends image/video Pages/Group Image/Video > Friends Image/Video ------------------> Text. Why? What financial incentiv…

Because in the acronym AI only one letter is true - Artificial, and Intelligence is just buzzword. They just can't do proper tailoring of news feed to you, so as long as ADs are prioritized and the feed is not entirely atrocious they just don't care.

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Post by mvindahl »

oneshot908 wrote: post #256
debaserab2 wrote: post #219

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> I think someone could recreate early FB on the blockchain wtf does this mean? I'm asking only because this sounds exactly as loaded and buzzwordy as "I lost control of my feed to arbitrary ML algorithms attempting to maximize shareholder value whilst alienating the fewest users" you've just gone the opposite direction with the hyperbole.

It means move the authorization and verification of identity outside of any corporation and make the feed 100% user-controlled. Corporations end up pursuing goals frequently unaligned with the goals of their users because the users have become the product. And are you really saying in 2018 that ML is just a buzzword? Because what I see is an algorithm (whatever it is, probably some secret sauce ML goulash of topic mo…

But it doesn't call for a blockchain to address. It calls for a subscription based social network.

It wouldn't need to be expensive either to keep the servers running. There would be no flashy advertising displaying links that you would never click anyway and there be no sneaky algorithms trying to maximize your clicks or your attention since that would no longer contribute to the company results.

Everything would be far simpler. Getting there is less simple.

Re: Facebook lost around 2.8M U.S. users under 25 last year

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Post by nicky0 »

Facebook is indispensable for me because of groups. A group for my running club, a group for my cycling club, other local groups. All activities are coordinate using FB & Messenger.

However I also have a zero friend policy on Facebook. Having zero friends, plus the "only friends of friends can send me a friend request" setting, means nobody can send a friend request. I suggest you try it, it's glorious.

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Post by baby »

billysielu wrote: post #318
baby wrote: post #163

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Also, I get invited to "groups" all the time. Because my friends want to win beauty cream and free flights to X. I leave the group, then I get re-invited again. Then I leave, then I get re-invited again. Why is this a thing?

Is unfriending them the only way to stop it properly?

yeah I think so, which is not going to happen, still friends.
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