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Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Probably collectively. And has someone who has worked for Australian banks it is probably on the cheap side. Many of the core systems that needed upgrading are old and there isn't necessarily the people around who worked on them. And so there are a lot of costs that go into upgrading.

It just seems absurd that it should be so complicated and expensive to build a system which on a basic level is just about maintaining a large table of numbers (the ledger of bank account balances) and doing simple arithmetic on it. And I say this as someone who develops banking systems for a living. I think/hope the banking and financial sector in the future will be much more lean and optimized, both in terms of sys…

Wow, that’s incredibly simplified. They have to have incredible uptime guarantees, transfer money from different banking systems, and ensure that amounts are never wrong. And we are talking millions of transactions a second here. And it has to be fully working and never make a mistake.

Not easy at all.

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Except in the UK, when it's normally transferred within a few seconds, or a maximum of two hours ("Faster Payments").

The Faster Payment system always tells me that I may have to wait two hours, and then it is instant. Have you ever had one take longer than zero time?

I guess they want to deter people phoning to complain because there is some minor delay in the system?

I've had instances where it's taken more than hour, although it usually is as near instant as physically possible.

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Out of curiosity, who is the world leader in banking? Going from Australia to the UK felt like going back in time 20 odd years.

When was that? I'm in the UK and I'm curious what I'm missing out on. I have mobile banking for everything, I can do almost instant (sub 30s) transfers between banks, we have contactless payment cards and Apple/Android pay support is ubiquitous, and we can do person to person transfers using a phone number (the horribly named "PayM"). What are we missing out on here that we should be pushing our banks for? I do see t…

Frictionless and cheap international transfers would be nice.

I know Barclays have an app but I would prefer it to be a standard feature.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Except in the UK, when it's normally transferred within a few seconds, or a maximum of two hours ("Faster Payments").

The Faster Payment system always tells me that I may have to wait two hours, and then it is instant. Have you ever had one take longer than zero time?

Never! Maybe they randomly check suspicious transactions. I had a look for some statistics of the transfer time, but wasn't able to find any public data.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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I presume the identifier is only usable to receive payments not to pull payments? Why does it need to be a phone number or email. Doesn’t it just need to be a unique string?

Yeah, only for receiving for now as far as I'm aware. As far as the reason it's restricted to certain types, I'm not sure - I'm contracting at a subcontractor of SWIFT so we're down the pipeline at the implementation end of things, not much visibility of business decisions.

I think I know one of the QA people who work in your company. You’ve done a pretty amazing job from the little snippets I’ve heard of this project!

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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This sounds like the swedish product "swish" which is immensely popular. Nobody does bank transfers between people, everybody transfers to your mobile number. So far I think there are no fees for personal use, either, although they said it would come later a few years ago. Transfers are of course instant and you can see the recipients name before you send the money, which is a great pro compared to a bank transfer to…

Do people really transfer that much money between them on a regular basis? Everyone was touting this as the selling point for some of the crypto currencies, but I've always thought this is a non-issue. It's anecdotal but I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I needed to transfer money to a person and not to a company.

It's one of the biggest successes in the fintech sector.

MobilePay in Denmark, Venmo, Cash, Paypal in the US most of the use debit card/bank accounts.

One of the problems turning it into a business though is that the Durbin Amendment and national legislation have reduced the interchange fees so that it's hard/illegal to charge for use of the card.

But it's a booming business that only just started.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Did I just read that they spent a billion dollars on it?

Personally I think a billion dollars for a nationally recognized electronic payment system is worth it. In the US the commercial solutions (venmo, paypal, etc) work fine between friends, but sometimes you get stuck having to write (paper) checks. There are several reasons this can happen:

- Some people are just old-school. I've had several landlords who barely understood the internet, good luck getting them to give their banking details to some trendy company in SF. I had one roommate who would routinely drive 30 minutes to drop off a check in my landlord's mailbox, for example. This wasn't secure, and if either my roommate or our landlord was traveling our rent payments would be late.

- Municipalities or government-supported entities are on unstable ground if they start playing favorite with private payment systems. Try getting a national lab to accept paypal, or the University of California to transfer reimbursement to an IBAN through TransferWise.

I imagine it would be even more complicated for cryptocurrencies. And in all cases, I can't say I blame people for asking for checks: it's often low-level clerks who have to do the work, why should they risk getting fired for your convenience? When the national standard is paper checks, having them stolen, arriving late, being forged, etc are all just "the price of doing business".

On the other hand, no matter how much you save your employer and increase client satisfaction by using something non-standard, you're on the chopping block if something goes wrong.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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Out of curiosity, who is the world leader in banking? Going from Australia to the UK felt like going back in time 20 odd years.

When was that? I'm in the UK and I'm curious what I'm missing out on. I have mobile banking for everything, I can do almost instant (sub 30s) transfers between banks, we have contactless payment cards and Apple/Android pay support is ubiquitous, and we can do person to person transfers using a phone number (the horribly named "PayM"). What are we missing out on here that we should be pushing our banks for? I do see t…

How quickly do credit card transactions appear in your account?

In Australia (CBA at least) it is instantaneous, in Hong Kong, it is at least 3 days.

CBA has also automated most of the account management through its netbanking - whereas in Hong Kong I need to visit a branch to create or delete an account.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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This sounds like the swedish product "swish" which is immensely popular. Nobody does bank transfers between people, everybody transfers to your mobile number. So far I think there are no fees for personal use, either, although they said it would come later a few years ago. Transfers are of course instant and you can see the recipients name before you send the money, which is a great pro compared to a bank transfer to…

Do people really transfer that much money between them on a regular basis? Everyone was touting this as the selling point for some of the crypto currencies, but I've always thought this is a non-issue. It's anecdotal but I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times I needed to transfer money to a person and not to a company.

Anecdotally I'm doing it at least once a week. Unlike several other respondents I rarely split a food bill (easier to just do that in the restaurant), but whenever there's advance tickets that need buying for transport or basically anything with an entrance fee (gig, play, sporting event, etc) then IME 100% of the time one person buys and the other attendees make them whole.

Re: Australia’s new real-time banking payments platform

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The two banks I’ve checked only allow you to use your mobile phone number or email address as your PayID (CBA and ING). When paying somebody, when you enter a recipient’s PayID, the bank confirms by showing the recipient account holder name. So in effect, they’ve just implemented a nationwide number-to-name lookup system. Separate to this, these two banks are pushing it hard. It feels like a land grab, since a single…

I'm not sure how I feel about this number-to-name lookup system. instant inter-bank transfers are well overdue and in theory being able to verify where you're sending cash is lovely but it's definitely a double-edged sword.
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