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German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by stochastic_monk »

waytogo wrote: post #94
lima wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GDPR isn't actually as bad as people claim. The law is actually pretty reasonable. It is the result of years of discussion and deliberation. In fact, privacy watchdogs are complaining that it doesn't go far enough - it leaves plenty of holes. Most of the GDPR is about informed consent, having a valid reason for processing personal data and individual rights. Facebook will do just fine, they had years to prepare a…

> Facebook will do just fine, they had years to prepare and an army of lawyers. They won't do fine. Don't want to go into details but their actual products/required architectures for their products just can't be GDPR compliant. And they didn't prepare anything. You confuse them with Google--they prepared GDPR but FB? Btw, one of GDPR's key motivation was to take FB down.

Without a citation, I doubt this claim and wonder if you have any personal investment in or relation to Facebook or a similar company whose profit is generated by selling or buying personal data.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by s73v3r_ »

TomMarius wrote: post #81
toomuchtodo wrote: post #60

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Will Facebook remove all of my personal data and attest to no longer collecting any future data from my online of offline activities?

Dunno man, did you give them your personal data? If yes, then according to the TOS it's theirs. If not, there's no problem.

And why is that a good or acceptable thing? Why should one's personal data, and how that's used, be paramount?

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by throwawaymaroon »

TomMarius wrote: post #112
mrguyorama wrote: post #104

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Except when your friends take pictures of you and upload them. Facebook doesn't need you to have a device to affect you every single day

It's not FB who is in the wrong, they have no control over your friends' actions.

Or, FB could just not do that stuff.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by SCHiM »

peoplewindow wrote: post #95
shadowtree wrote: post #17

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1., If you store data of EU residents, you are under EU jurisdiction (GDPR) and can be targeted by fines. 2., The EU is a very rich, large market - considered the single largest economy in the world (GDP per capita). Good luck not targeting it with your products. 3., The pendulum around data protection is swinging back, this is normal. Apple saw it and adjusted already. Google is cooperating and staying quiet. Only F…

1. GDPR is a good example of why to abandon the market imo. It's not even clear how it affects backup strategies, let alone more complicated questions. Most vaguely written law I've seen in a long time. I can't help but suspect it's designed to be violated, as a revenue source. But just don't set up a corporate presence in the EU and they can't do much. 2. I remember people saying that about China. The market was too…

I have a hard time seeing how you came to your conclusions about point 3. The rulings seem crystal clear and are explained in normal language. Take the google shopping case:

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-17-1784_en.htm

Seems very clear what is wrong.

I'm thinking that perhaps it's a good thing that future companies like FB can't take off in Europe. The need for a product like FB is clear, and if the rules prohibit FB like companies from taking root, then it gives grassroots or open source a chance. We'll see.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by songshu »

waytogo wrote: post #18

Wait until GDPR is in place in May and German and other EU courts will rule FB to death. IDK how FB will ever be compliant with GDPR and survive that huge upcoming fines in the long term or in the worst case the withdrawal from these markets.

The GDPR is beautiful and an example of the best outcomes democracy can produce. The winners are pretty much everyone. It's sad that the US can't implement public policy like this.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by TomMarius »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #113
TomMarius wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno man, did you give them your personal data? If yes, then according to the TOS it's theirs. If not, there's no problem.

Where is the ToS you agree to for the involuntary profiles they create of you if you've never used their service? https://boingboing.net/2017/11/08/involuntary-profiling.html "Facebook is well understood as being a major customer of third-party data-brokers, who compile huge dossiers on people based on their spending, internet and phone usage, employment history and so on. In addition, Facebook encourages users to up…

There's the cookie notice that every website with FB tracking code has to display to you and not track you until you give consent (e.g. by continuing to use the site). If your friends do something you don't like like uploading photos of you, FB has nothing to do with it - it's your friends who gave them the info and lied that the data they upload is uploadef rightfully.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by llukas »

TomMarius wrote: post #83
tobltobs wrote: post #76

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FB can stop to have a corporate presence in the EU.

I hope they do. That will mean a lot of lost tax money for the EU (I'm EU citizen btw).

A lot would be before tax optimization not after ;)

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by s73v3r_ »

TomMarius wrote: post #99
code_duck wrote: post #84

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That’s fantastic, for the US. The next step would be to follow all EU laws to the letter, too.

It's an US company if I remember correctly. Does a hamburger place in the US need to follow EU laws because tourists come to it often? No.

I believe McDonalds locations inside Europe do follow EU laws, so yes.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by Crontab »

waytogo wrote: post #107
ionforce wrote: post #101

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> one of GDPR's key motivation was to take FB down. Do you have a citation for this claim?

It's the modern version of a trade war between the US and the EU which targets massive online monopolies which the EU doesn't have.

That is an opinion - it doesn't prove your claim.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Post by jbigelow76 »

lima wrote: post #59
waytogo wrote: post #18

Wait until GDPR is in place in May and German and other EU courts will rule FB to death. IDK how FB will ever be compliant with GDPR and survive that huge upcoming fines in the long term or in the worst case the withdrawal from these markets.

The GDPR isn't actually as bad as people claim. The law is actually pretty reasonable. It is the result of years of discussion and deliberation. In fact, privacy watchdogs are complaining that it doesn't go far enough - it leaves plenty of holes. Most of the GDPR is about informed consent, having a valid reason for processing personal data and individual rights. Facebook will do just fine, they had years to prepare a…

    >Facebook will do just fine, they had years to prepare and an army of lawyers.
Microsoft had years to prepare and an army of lawyers too.
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