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German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

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Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think it's interesting that more antitrust lawsuits seem to be brought and won against big SV companies recently in Europe. Is it just recently because because bureaucracy takes its' time, or is it because nowadays there is more political will to act against American companies since EU-American relations worsened since Trump came into office?

Why do you think it’s recent? There have been plenty of cases of SV companies being fined in EU courts.

30 seconds of googling got me this WSJ article from 2015

https://outline.com/dvU9St

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think it's interesting that more antitrust lawsuits seem to be brought and won against big SV companies recently in Europe. Is it just recently because because bureaucracy takes its' time, or is it because nowadays there is more political will to act against American companies since EU-American relations worsened since Trump came into office?

This isn't a new phenomenon. Europe levied enormous fines on Intel, Microsoft, and Facebook before Trump even became president.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

1., If you store data of EU residents, you are under EU jurisdiction (GDPR) and can be targeted by fines. 2., The EU is a very rich, large market - considered the single largest economy in the world (GDP per capita). Good luck not targeting it with your products. 3., The pendulum around data protection is swinging back, this is normal. Apple saw it and adjusted already. Google is cooperating and staying quiet. Only F…

> 1., If you store data of EU residents, you are under EU jurisdiction (GDPR) and can be targeted by fines.

Anyone can claim jurisdiction. Enforcement is another matter entirely. If there is no presence in Europe, I can't imagine how the they would collect.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

#35

I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU

Social media is a psychological weapon that can disrupt a society to the point at which it can no longer function. Look at Libya or Syria. Look at how fractured the US is. If you want to point it at someone else, that would be nice.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think it's interesting that more antitrust lawsuits seem to be brought and won against big SV companies recently in Europe. Is it just recently because because bureaucracy takes its' time, or is it because nowadays there is more political will to act against American companies since EU-American relations worsened since Trump came into office?

Not everything is about Trump. The EU has long had stronger user-privacy protections. This isn't new or unique to the last year.

Yeah, I don't think Trump had anything to do with Microsoft's IE and WMP judgements, or the Google right to be forgotten thing in France. The EU has always taken a strong stance of corporate overreach.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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One way of thinking of legislation is to encourage/discourage behavior indirectly. Think how putting a ridiculous tax on cigarettes makes people less likely to want to use them. In this sense, the German government (and greater EU) may be completely fine in implementing these laws to discourage the presence of these types of companies operating in their jurisdiction. After all, it is hard to argue that social media a…

I think it is pretty easy to argue that someone has the freedom to put their info on a website that will use it according to the terms of service.

I think the argument is about whether someone has the freedom not to have their info on the site. It’s well known that FB has shadow profiles with no active accounts. You’re on there whether you like it or not.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

#38

I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

The fewer of these surveillance economy businesses we have here, the better. So as a EU citizen, I see these laws working in my favour.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

#39

I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

It looks as if the system is working as intended.

Re: German court rules Facebook use of personal data illegal

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I think if I was creating a new social media website today I'd probably not set up any presence in the EU. The sheer quantity of fines for vaguely specified "crimes" being handed out makes it a deeply unattractive business environment and it seems to be getting worse. I remember when Facebook was new, one of its big competitive advantages was its easy and comprehensive privacy controls. I didn't see other social netw…

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