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Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Loss of face. They put so much money (10M+!) in they would look like idiots if they eventually decided to drop it and Assange gets to make a victory lap on the way to Paddington Station to catch the Express to Heathrow.

There was a warrant out for the guys arrest as far as I'm aware. IYO should we simply let people with arrest warrants walk free? The correct place to answer the justice question is in a law court. Basically you're asking the UK to [publicly and openly] forgo the rule of law. Yes, it's highly annoying that Assange's actions have led to this cost in seeking to fulfil the warrant to have him answer for this alleged crim…

All part of government should operate to maximize their appointed goals within a specified budget.

Should we let all departments operate without budget considerations? For road and rail maintenance, is it acceptable to simply let some problems be left alone if the cost goes beyond budget?

Police do not spend infinitive amount of resources on all crimes. Those 10M+ represent assaults that don't get investigated, ironically also sexual assaults. How many future crimes, murders, rapes, or theft is the UK allowing because funding to stop those criminals are being spent on this single case?

The Assange case is like the government building a hospital in the middle of London, employing thousands of employees and treating exactly 1 patient. Telling them to not do so is not to forgo having health care or telling them to disband government, but rather demanding that government funding is held to some minimal standard.

Can we have a rule of law while accused criminals of crimes that has a maximum of 4 years jail time, who then can run to a embassy, be granted asylum, and 8 years later have the case dropped? Is that such an massive loophole? How many potential criminals should we expect to use such loophole over the next 100 years? My prediction: 1 if we count this case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-5zEb1oS9A

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Crime? I'm aware only that a charge was made against Assange by an individual for an infraction that had nothing to do with Wikileaks. This is strikingly convenient since it bypasses the introduction of any Wikileak-related evidence in Assange's prosecution, and thus prohibits it. In light of Assange's political activity, and now the astonishing level of CPS persistence in pursuing him, the Swedish charge against him…

He was charged with rape and molestation. Those are crimes. But if you want to call them "infractions" I suppose that is up to you. To look at your logic in the reverse direction, you are basically implying that in light of Assange's political activity he cannot be credibly accused of any crime, because it will be a false accusation trumped up by state actors. That doesn't stand up to any logical scrutiny. Just becau…

>He was charged with rape and molestation.

No, he has never been charged, he is wanted for questioning regarding an accusation of rape. Funny is that he was already questioned for that exact accusation BEFORE he left Sweden, then he was told to return for further questioning.

Also the first prosecutor immediately dropped it, then another prosecutor decided to re-open it, which is very unusual.

As for the actual rape accusation: first they had sex, then the woman says she fell asleep and awoke from him entering her, she asked if he was wearing anything (protection) and he said 'only you'. She stated that she was too tired to argue so they had sex.

Next day they joked about him having to pay her student loans should she get pregnant, and naming the kid 'Afghanistan'. He was to go on a meeting in Stockholm so she gave him a ride down to the train station on her bike, and then paid his ticket since he didn't have any swedish currency. Later after talking with friends, she realized that she had been subjected to a crime and went to the police station.

This is the actual rape allegation (in swedish): https://info.publicintelligence.net/AssangeSexAllegations.pd...

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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I don't think it is that simple. You thumb your nose at a judge at your own peril, regardless of how much merit there was to the original case and regardless of where your sympathies lie with respect to WL and Assange the fact is that there is absolutely no way the UK govt/judicial branch would let a known fugitive skip like this even after the original case was dropped. It is bordering on the farcical how much money…

I think 'farcical' appeared in the rear-view mirror years ago. The word that springs to my mind more closely resembles 'Dreyfus'. Another alternative (to a coffin) is the expiration of the statute of limitations on the charges against Assange. Britain may choose to refile/renew them indefinitely, but it now appears that they'll do so alone, without collaboration from Sweden. I think eventually the political odor of t…

"Unlike other European countries, the United Kingdom has no statute of limitations for serious sexual crimes."

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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The Lauri Love case proves there’s zero probability of Assange being extradited to the US. He’s wanted here for skipping bail. The government can’t let the precedent be set that you can get away with it, or everyone would do it.

I don't think it proves that. I think that the US would like to get their hands on JA a lot more than they ever wanted to get their hands on Lauri Love.

What would the US do with Assange? He hasn't been indicted. It's not obvious what crime he'd be charged with and how a case against him could proceed let alone produce a conviction.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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I thought that the statue of limitations requires you to not leave or flee. Since he's in the embassy, isn't he technically on foreign soil?

I'm not familiar with the UK system, but this is certainly not the norm for western legal systems.

There are some caveats, I believe.

Go to an extradition treaty country? Clock keeps running.

Go somewhere that you "can't be reached"? Clock is paused.

Again, similar reasoning. At least in the UK.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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I don't think it proves that. I think that the US would like to get their hands on JA a lot more than they ever wanted to get their hands on Lauri Love.

What would the US do with Assange? He hasn't been indicted. It's not obvious what crime he'd be charged with and how a case against him could proceed let alone produce a conviction.

It was leaked in the Stratfor emails that they have a secret indictment against Assange.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wikileaks-stratfo...

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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post #53

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Crime? I'm aware only that a charge was made against Assange by an individual for an infraction that had nothing to do with Wikileaks. This is strikingly convenient since it bypasses the introduction of any Wikileak-related evidence in Assange's prosecution, and thus prohibits it. In light of Assange's political activity, and now the astonishing level of CPS persistence in pursuing him, the Swedish charge against him…

He was charged with rape and molestation. Those are crimes. But if you want to call them "infractions" I suppose that is up to you. To look at your logic in the reverse direction, you are basically implying that in light of Assange's political activity he cannot be credibly accused of any crime, because it will be a false accusation trumped up by state actors. That doesn't stand up to any logical scrutiny. Just becau…

> because it will be a false accusation trumped up by state actors.

Not to mention the other glaring hole in some of this, those that believe it was a plot, a smear.

Really? A state attempts to destroy someone's character and credibility and the best they can manage in their set-up of him is "may have had 'sleepy sex' with someone while lying about a condom"?

Not much of a smear. Politicians are accused of far worse every day in the US and many times it barely affects their career, if at all.

I realize people like to joke that governments/security/intelligence services are "bozos", but I've never had any patience for the "it was all a smear to destroy him".

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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post #94

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What would the US do with Assange? He hasn't been indicted. It's not obvious what crime he'd be charged with and how a case against him could proceed let alone produce a conviction.

It was leaked in the Stratfor emails that they have a secret indictment against Assange. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/wikileaks-stratfo...

That's a very biased interpretation of the very article you quote.

Stratfor, a _private company_, with no connections to the DOJ, had one of its employees say in an internal email seven years ago that they had an indictment.

Based on "conversations" with "people".

In among literally thousands of emails doing little more than smearing Assange and Martin.

And this was in context to Bradley Manning, though no confirmation of the indictment was mentioned in the grand jury.

I have zero love for Assange. Quite a bit of contempt, actually. But it's not particularly verifiable to note that "they" have a "secret" indictment that hasn't been heard of much since a private security firm rumored it seven years ago.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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What's the penalty for that crime Max 12 months in prison. The ONLY way Assange’s actions make sense is if he expects to be found guilty in Sweden.

Given the eagerness of the CPS to prosecute, seems like paranoia was a good strategy, no? There's some hidden agenda here, and it's hard to believe it's something as mundane as CPS bloke doesn't want a new case before he retires when emails conveniently get "deleted". I think you can expect better from lawyers. But it's especially galling for a lawyer who works for the government, they should have procedures to retai…

> was a good strategy, no?

Yes. Assange is most assuredly to be applauded for his wise strategizing in running from accusations.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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post #53

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He was charged with rape and molestation. Those are crimes. But if you want to call them "infractions" I suppose that is up to you. To look at your logic in the reverse direction, you are basically implying that in light of Assange's political activity he cannot be credibly accused of any crime, because it will be a false accusation trumped up by state actors. That doesn't stand up to any logical scrutiny. Just becau…

> because it will be a false accusation trumped up by state actors. Not to mention the other glaring hole in some of this, those that believe it was a plot, a smear. Really? A state attempts to destroy someone's character and credibility and the best they can manage in their set-up of him is "may have had 'sleepy sex' with someone while lying about a condom"? Not much of a smear. Politicians are accused of far worse…

> Really? A state attempts to destroy someone's character and credibility and the best they can manage in their set-up of him is "may have had 'sleepy sex' with someone while lying about a condom"?

Worked like a charm, didn't it?

I remember it being brought up. People immediately believed it. A more serious accusation (say, a murder) wouldn't be so easy to buy.

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