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How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by scarface74 »

ggg9990 wrote: post #86
scarface74 wrote: post #46

I don't disagree with the article but let me give a more positive anecdote. I'm Black and live in Forsyth County GA. Yeah this Forsyth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0 We were looking for a house and were welcomed with opened arms by the builder, I can still go to pick up my son from a teen group where no one knows me and ask any random person have they seen my son and they know exactly who I'm talking ab…

My guess is that your household income is at least $150k? Wealth can be a partial vaccine against discrimination.

Yes,

On that note, sure my son's girlfriend's parent seemed okay with her dating a Black kid. But when he dropped her off to our house for the first time, coming into our neighborhood of new houses where on the entry way it says "houses starting at $X" where $X denotes that we were probably upper income, and from my sons mannerism and speech you could tell that he grew up in the "right part of town".

Would he be okay if my son was the same kid but we lived in a poorer part of town? Probably not.

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Post by [deleted] »

akkat wrote: post #90
jogjayr wrote: post #83

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Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK, Social Security and medicare are benefits available to everyone, rich or poor, after reaching retirement age. The amount you get out has some relation with how much you put in when you worked (it may not be perfectly linear, perhaps favors poorer people, I don't know). Unemployment benefits are for people who have lost jobs meaning they previously paid into unemployment insurance pl…

> Unemployment benefits are for people who have lost jobs meaning they previously paid into unemployment insurance plans If you don't include that as "welfare and benefits of the poor" I don't know what you would include. I guess you're right in the sense that only a small portions of ones taxes go to pay people who never worked and never plan on working. I double checked and you are right that most of SS and medicar…

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Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

Asparagirl wrote: post #80
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #77

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>But I have been shocked at the number of people from Missouri who have actively responded to news of the suit on social media not on the merits of the request whatsoever, but by saying that I shouldn’t win because I’m “not from there” and therefore this is “none of my business”, or that I’m “some California coastal liberal elite” (practically an exact quote), As impersonal as it may be I don't blame them for being d…

...uh, what happened to Colorado?

A bunch of Californians moved in and changed politics for (what the locals would consider) the worse.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by scarface74 »

akkat wrote: post #90
jogjayr wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but AFAIK, Social Security and medicare are benefits available to everyone, rich or poor, after reaching retirement age. The amount you get out has some relation with how much you put in when you worked (it may not be perfectly linear, perhaps favors poorer people, I don't know). Unemployment benefits are for people who have lost jobs meaning they previously paid into unemployment insurance pl…

> Unemployment benefits are for people who have lost jobs meaning they previously paid into unemployment insurance plans If you don't include that as "welfare and benefits of the poor" I don't know what you would include. I guess you're right in the sense that only a small portions of ones taxes go to pay people who never worked and never plan on working. I double checked and you are right that most of SS and medicar…

All the links I see seem to be around 9% of the budget goes to "safety net" programs.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-w...

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by akkat »

scarface74 wrote: post #94
akkat wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unemployment benefits are for people who have lost jobs meaning they previously paid into unemployment insurance plans If you don't include that as "welfare and benefits of the poor" I don't know what you would include. I guess you're right in the sense that only a small portions of ones taxes go to pay people who never worked and never plan on working. I double checked and you are right that most of SS and medicar…

All the links I see seem to be around 9% of the budget goes to "safety net" programs. https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-budget/policy-basics-w...

I see.. Thank you for the information. I will have to rethink my take on the US division of taxes

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by amazingman »

scarface74 wrote: post #60
cup wrote: post #56

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One can always find exceptions to the rule.

Is it an exception or do we mix racism with classicism? No I don't believe that racism is dead but do believe classicism is worse. Studies show that minorities have a harder time getting jobs, apartments, and are stopped more often by the police. But studies have also shown that income mobility regardless of race is statistically rare. I've heard a lot of classist comments from both White people (calling people "red…

In my experience as an American, it’s basically impossible for most Americans to talk about race and class problems at the same time. It seems as if for most people they exist in a zero-sum relationship; either everything wrong is because race(ism) or everything wrong is because class(ism). It’s not only exasperating, but seems to have stalemated progress on a societal level for generations.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by Clubber »

mnm1 wrote: post #88
Clubber wrote: post #35

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You are absolutely right about that. I was brought up that racism was for poor white trash and anyone who is racist shouldn't be associated with. Of course I live my life that way, so all the people who I interact with aren't racist. Honestly, even people on the street I talk with don't say things like that. The last time someone said something like that was some old bumpkin in a truck at a gas station said something…

I think such rose-colored beliefs are dangerous and cause major harm so I do not want to nor do I believe them.

You should believe what data tells you and not what I say or what any newspaper says. I was just having a conversation.

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Post by redblacktree »

mnm1 wrote: post #89
redblacktree wrote: post #38

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I would argue that this means we should fix the constitution through the amendment process, not toss the baby out with the bathwater.

I can't imagine a more horrific scenario than a constitutional convention. The day that happens is the day America dies. Ok, probably a few days later when they decide to throw out the current ratification rules out and just rewrite everything. A bunch of un-elected idiots rewriting the constitution. I hope they use a new name. Calling that new country USA will be confusing. Regardless, I will not stick around here f…

Who said anything about a constitutional convention? The amendment process[0] is not so extreme. We've done it 27 times, most recently in 1992.

[0]: https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by HammerJack »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #93
Asparagirl wrote: post #80

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...uh, what happened to Colorado?

A bunch of Californians moved in and changed politics for (what the locals would consider) the worse.

I think it depends which side of the fence you were on before we passed amendment 64. CO has always been a purple state, I get the feeling you consider yourself red/conservative/etc and are noticing the red:blue ratio swing against you.

I cannot say I share your concerns for a number of reasons. Locally, as in at the city level, we fight the old guard regularly just to pass enough taxes to keep our infrastructure from crumbling entirely. We have to fight the old guard just to have enough taxes to keep the street lights on in the summer, to put our police officers in cars newer than a decade old.

The new folks, us young folks, don't have a problem with a lot of these, we see the value in our police officers having modern vehicles, in our streets and storm water systems being maintained (and avoiding costly lawsuits in the latter case), in the value for my community safety and other people's families to have lights on in neighborhood past 6 PM during the summer for Pete's sake. We're the ones at the city hall meetings fighting grandma, and her racism, and her NIMBYism, and her staunch refusal to pay for any of the public services she takes advantage of. So I struggle to see what politics have been changed for the worse.

Oh, Oh, and after a few record breaking years for wild fires, guess if it was the old guard (who wants to bust up the state forests and lands for fracking) or the new guard (who are generally more conservationist) who voted we shouldn't allocate more budget to fire fighting@. Gosh, that certainly will not bite us after a dry winter when the US forest service predicted an even worst wild fire season this year. Oh no how the budget will suffer and the old guard will make it seem like this was completely unavoidable and unpredictable. @edit: at the state level

I take a personal ire with your baseless comment since I live in what's historically been known as the hate capital of the west; located right here in friendly Colorado. So, in my opinion, if the KKK and some of these rather bigoted church congregations have their ideals and their politics dragged out into the light of society and can't survive it good riddance.

So please, please tell me what politics the Californians (and somehow I hear; Elite West Coast Liberals in there, if not Libruls) have brought us that made our state oh so terrible over these past few years.

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