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Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by achileas »

jvehent wrote: post #8

This is much more complex than a lone hacker being persecuted by an oppressive US government. There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda, and while I do not know if this is true or not, it does turn the entire Assange story into an intricate mess of international politics and power plays.

While circumstantial, the timeline of WL threatening to release leaked Putin documents (~2010, IIRC), never releasing those docs, then getting spots on RT is fairly damning, as well as the Russian bot amplification of WL document drops, especially during the 2016 election.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by jacquesm »

randcraw wrote: post #4

The persistence of the British CPS in pursuing Assange shows how tight the militaries are between the US and Commonwealth nations. AFAIK, Britain had no personal stake in Wikileaks / Assange. But because America badly wanted to suppress Wikileaks and its ilk from future revelations, Britain has persisted in its surrogate prosecution of Assange. I wonder, is there no blowback among Brits for the Crown so baldly adopti…

I don't think it is that simple. You thumb your nose at a judge at your own peril, regardless of how much merit there was to the original case and regardless of where your sympathies lie with respect to WL and Assange the fact is that there is absolutely no way the UK govt/judicial branch would let a known fugitive skip like this even after the original case was dropped.

It is bordering on the farcical how much money they have spent on this and just because of that they eventually have to show a result. The only other alternative is that Assange leaves the embassy in a coffin.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by sschueller »

jvehent wrote: post #8

This is much more complex than a lone hacker being persecuted by an oppressive US government. There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda, and while I do not know if this is true or not, it does turn the entire Assange story into an intricate mess of international politics and power plays.

This one arm of Russian propaganda is US propaganda. Just another current "enemy" that the US is trying to link with Wikileaks because it's convenient.

Watch this shift to China or NK when Russia is no longer a "current enemy".

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by jacquesm »

barking wrote: post #7

I'd like the press to shine a light on the lawyer who was so keen to get Sweden to pursue the case. I'm sure he prefers being nameless.

It wasn't a lawyer, it was the Swedish prosecutor that did this, and it wasn't a 'he' but a 'she' (Marianne Ny).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assange_v_Swedish_Prosecution_...

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by jacquesm »

jvehent wrote: post #8

This is much more complex than a lone hacker being persecuted by an oppressive US government. There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda, and while I do not know if this is true or not, it does turn the entire Assange story into an intricate mess of international politics and power plays.

> There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda

You can sufficiently explain all WL actions by simply assuming that they will do whatever it takes to hurt US interests.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by jacquesm »

gaius wrote: post #15

The Lauri Love case proves there’s zero probability of Assange being extradited to the US. He’s wanted here for skipping bail. The government can’t let the precedent be set that you can get away with it, or everyone would do it.

I don't think it proves that. I think that the US would like to get their hands on JA a lot more than they ever wanted to get their hands on Lauri Love.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by untog »

randcraw wrote: post #4

The persistence of the British CPS in pursuing Assange shows how tight the militaries are between the US and Commonwealth nations. AFAIK, Britain had no personal stake in Wikileaks / Assange. But because America badly wanted to suppress Wikileaks and its ilk from future revelations, Britain has persisted in its surrogate prosecution of Assange. I wonder, is there no blowback among Brits for the Crown so baldly adopti…

That's one way of looking at it. Another: a warrant was issued for his arrest in relation to a crime that was accused. He used a foreign embassy to avoid that arrest. Giving up would not be setting a fantastic precedent for future alleged criminals who do not wish to answer questions.

(EDIT: changed "committed" to "accused" as per discussion below)

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by barrkel »

untog wrote: post #18
randcraw wrote: post #4

The persistence of the British CPS in pursuing Assange shows how tight the militaries are between the US and Commonwealth nations. AFAIK, Britain had no personal stake in Wikileaks / Assange. But because America badly wanted to suppress Wikileaks and its ilk from future revelations, Britain has persisted in its surrogate prosecution of Assange. I wonder, is there no blowback among Brits for the Crown so baldly adopti…

That's one way of looking at it. Another: a warrant was issued for his arrest in relation to a crime that was accused. He used a foreign embassy to avoid that arrest. Giving up would not be setting a fantastic precedent for future alleged criminals who do not wish to answer questions. (EDIT: changed "committed" to "accused" as per discussion below)

Foreign embassies generally don't permit random alleged criminals to claim sanctuary.

Re: Sweden tried to drop Assange extradition in 2013

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Post by wernercd »

jacquesm wrote: post #16
jvehent wrote: post #8

This is much more complex than a lone hacker being persecuted by an oppressive US government. There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda, and while I do not know if this is true or not, it does turn the entire Assange story into an intricate mess of international politics and power plays.

> There is suspicion that Wikileaks is one arm of Russian propaganda You can sufficiently explain all WL actions by simply assuming that they will do whatever it takes to hurt US interests.

As a US Veteran and a US Citizen... if exposing truth hurts US interests - maybe US interests deserve to be hurt?

All politics aside (as if that's possible), we should always strive to learn and expose truth...

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