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About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

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Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#11
4,500 is larger than a lot of cities in the Midwest, and Census data shows that in many of those communities, everyone is under the poverty line.

You seem to be running under the assumption that all or any of those 4,500 users even have any money to give you.

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#12
The about starts with:

>This tool was created to solve my own problem.

You create a very simple tool for yourself that can do exactly one thing and expect people to pay for it? And 4500 site accesses is absolutely nothing, by the way.

The main problem here are your unrealistic expectations.

I contribute to OSS that is used by millions of people. Certainly I should be a millionaire? No, that's not how it works.

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#13
This reflects my experience too. Several years back I made an input method for typing pinyin with tones [0] and released it for free with a donation button.

In 5 years and tens of thousands of downloads I could count on two hands the number of people who had made a donation. Then I put the download link behind a 'pay what you want, including zero' button, and I made more in one month of that than the previous 5 years of donations.

Asking for donations is a poor way to monetize your product.

0: https://www.pinyinput.net/

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#16
There are utility site where I _do_ pay a small donation almost immediately, when I see how useful it is to me in an immediate sense, and there are other where I will kick the tyres, and leave thinking that no, this really doesn't save me time/energy/frustration etc.

Not to disparage your work and your site. It looks great, and your call to action to donate is quite clear, but to me, at first glance, looks like about a half dozen other sites that I have in my bookmarks bar.

Perhaps if you differentiated your site a little more from the others, so that I could see an immediate benefit, then you might be more successful.

Here is a use case that would be an instant hit with me. We are in the process of redesigning our logo for our SaaS app, and along with the redesign/rebranding, I would like to ensure that all the design elements on our web app conform to a similar colour palette.

If I could upload my new logo to your site, and it would magically give me the Bootstrap CSS files for a few alternative colour layouts that take into consideration the Bootstrap .success, .warning, .danger etc. qualifiers, then it would be an instant $10 to $20 pinged across to you from me.

Maybe your site does that? I don't know - a cursory look didn't tell me how it could be of value to me...

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#17
I have released dozens of packages reaching hundreds of thousands of people and, according to SO, helped devs millions of times in different ways. In total I have been donated the amount of $10 (lifetime). I am considering different ways of making revenue now from my side projects since it is not sustainable.

I even had a horrifying experience when someone pretended he was donating only to get me to use his cryptocrap. What a f* waste of time that was.

Probably the only ones who can make it out of donations are the best known devs in their fields like Sindre Sorhus [1]. Others, while also really well known, have gone the open-source-but-pay-for-pro route like TJ [2] and John O'Nolan [3]. Thinking you can live purely of passive donations is, at best, naive.

Here are the statistics of 30k users and 80k page views on my latest project that netted those $10: https://twitter.com/FPresencia/status/955782847230431232

[1] https://www.patreon.com/sindresorhus

[2] https://github.com/apex/up#pro-features

[3] https://ghost.org/pricing/

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#19
There still persists this idea that all you have to do is "built it, and they will come", a la Field of Dreams (1989).

First off, that's not the right quote. It's "If you build it, HE will come." He being "Shoeless" Joe Jackson, a baseball playing ghost. And if you're basing your marketing strategy on baseball playing ghosts, you need to go back to school. Ghosts don't have any money, they can't buy your product. Baseball playing ghosts didn't even fund the REAL field of dreams, just down the road from me where they filmed the movie. The movie itself brought popularity and prosperity to the field, and since the movie was almost 30 years ago, the field is fallen on hard times.

But lastly, and this bit of insight came from my grandmother: It never amazes me when people offer something for free, and then get mad when people take them up on that offer. You did it. You chose to make it free to use. You put a tip jar out on the counter, sure, but ultimately the thing is free with no strings attached.

Re: About the goodwill of people: 4,500 users and 0 donations

#20
Before we flame him too much, just read where he comes from:

https://pretzelhands.com/introduction-to-pretzel2018.html

Nevertheless, that type of 'tool' is too trivial for me to even think about donating. Actually, I still don't know what it is supposed to do. I mean, okay if you don't know how to read hex-colors you can use the normal dev-tools color pickers or some color picker which suggests other fitting colors, but just a tool to visualize and let you change the order of an array of color codes?!? Sounds like something you would write in jsfiddle.

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