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How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by keksicus »

istjohn wrote: post #29

One terribly insidious aspect to racism in America is how invisible it is to white people. We are so segregated that most white people will not learn about black people's experiences with racism organically. It's only through articles like this and cell phone footage of violent police interactions that we become aware of this cruel alternative reality so many people live in. The disconnect exists within city-limits,…

>One terribly insidious aspect to racism in America is how invisible it is to white people.

That's because it doesn't exist, at least not in a real material fashion. Just like the 70-cents on the dollar claim.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by stevenh »

ikeyany wrote: post #69
scarface74 wrote: post #46

I don't disagree with the article but let me give a more positive anecdote. I'm Black and live in Forsyth County GA. Yeah this Forsyth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0 We were looking for a house and were welcomed with opened arms by the builder, I can still go to pick up my son from a teen group where no one knows me and ask any random person have they seen my son and they know exactly who I'm talking ab…

> I've never experienced anything that I could perceive as racist here and neither has my family. You'd certainly be in the minority. I've seen worse in far more "progressive" areas of the country. I hope people don't read your comment and assume your experience is anywhere near typical.

Your anecdotes as a white man are not more valuable than his as a black man. This isn't the first time you've whitesplained to a minority on HN how their lived experience is invalid.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by Audible_logic »

stevenh wrote: post #73
ikeyany wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never experienced anything that I could perceive as racist here and neither has my family. You'd certainly be in the minority. I've seen worse in far more "progressive" areas of the country. I hope people don't read your comment and assume your experience is anywhere near typical.

Your anecdotes as a white man are not more valuable than his as a black man. This isn't the first time you've whitesplained to a minority on HN how their lived experience is invalid.

I'm black and I agree with his comment. Is it more valid now? I've experienced racism living in progressive California. It happens.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by Audible_logic »

Audible_logic wrote: post #74
stevenh wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your anecdotes as a white man are not more valuable than his as a black man. This isn't the first time you've whitesplained to a minority on HN how their lived experience is invalid.

I'm black and I agree with his comment. Is it more valid now? I've experienced racism living in progressive California. It happens.

I don't mean to come off pessimistic either, I think we are doing better about it. My poor experiences have been distasteful, but not definitive of all my experiences. There will always be bad apples and such...

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by scarface74 »

ikeyany wrote: post #69
scarface74 wrote: post #46

I don't disagree with the article but let me give a more positive anecdote. I'm Black and live in Forsyth County GA. Yeah this Forsyth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WErjPmFulQ0 We were looking for a house and were welcomed with opened arms by the builder, I can still go to pick up my son from a teen group where no one knows me and ask any random person have they seen my son and they know exactly who I'm talking ab…

> I've never experienced anything that I could perceive as racist here and neither has my family. You'd certainly be in the minority. I've seen worse in far more "progressive" areas of the country. I hope people don't read your comment and assume your experience is anywhere near typical.

Forsyth County is a lot of things, but "progressive" it's not - not in the liberal since. I would say it's more typical Republican than what I consider "populist".

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

Asparagirl wrote: post #31
Mononokay wrote: post #3

Altered headline aside: yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh; speaking as someone with a bit over a decade of experience with Missouri, if I was anything other than white or Asian I'dn't touch anywhere in it besides St. Louis and Kansas City. And even then, I'd still not touch it if I had to. This is all anecdotal, of course, but from my experience: the average culture of the state is apathetic at best to things that'd…

I’m in a long-running Sunshine Law suit with a Missouri government agency, their Department of Health and Senior Services, over a simple request for what is essentially a big genealogy spreadsheet of the names of local dead people, some from 100+ years ago. It’s a very boring request, as these things tend to go. But I have been shocked at the number of people from Missouri who have actively responded to news of the s…

>But I have been shocked at the number of people from Missouri who have actively responded to news of the suit on social media not on the merits of the request whatsoever, but by saying that I shouldn’t win because I’m “not from there” and therefore this is “none of my business”, or that I’m “some California coastal liberal elite” (practically an exact quote),

As impersonal as it may be I don't blame them for being distrusting by default of outsiders from the coasts. Look what happened to Colorado.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by ikeyany »

scarface74 wrote: post #76
ikeyany wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never experienced anything that I could perceive as racist here and neither has my family. You'd certainly be in the minority. I've seen worse in far more "progressive" areas of the country. I hope people don't read your comment and assume your experience is anywhere near typical.

Forsyth County is a lot of things, but "progressive" it's not - not in the liberal since. I would say it's more typical Republican than what I consider "populist".

I wasn't implying that it was progressive.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by ikeyany »

stevenh wrote: post #73
ikeyany wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've never experienced anything that I could perceive as racist here and neither has my family. You'd certainly be in the minority. I've seen worse in far more "progressive" areas of the country. I hope people don't read your comment and assume your experience is anywhere near typical.

Your anecdotes as a white man are not more valuable than his as a black man. This isn't the first time you've whitesplained to a minority on HN how their lived experience is invalid.

Ironic that you accuse me of whitesplaining.

Also, adding context is not invalidating.

Re: How black people still need to outwit racists in rural America

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Post by Asparagirl »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #77
Asparagirl wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m in a long-running Sunshine Law suit with a Missouri government agency, their Department of Health and Senior Services, over a simple request for what is essentially a big genealogy spreadsheet of the names of local dead people, some from 100+ years ago. It’s a very boring request, as these things tend to go. But I have been shocked at the number of people from Missouri who have actively responded to news of the s…

>But I have been shocked at the number of people from Missouri who have actively responded to news of the suit on social media not on the merits of the request whatsoever, but by saying that I shouldn’t win because I’m “not from there” and therefore this is “none of my business”, or that I’m “some California coastal liberal elite” (practically an exact quote), As impersonal as it may be I don't blame them for being d…

...uh, what happened to Colorado?
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