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China's GDP outgrows the west's by 5-10 percentage points pr. year. This means that in about 10 years China's economy in size will be twice that of the US. That means China will dominate in most engineering fields. Also some where the US today is an absolute leader.
China's GDP outgrows the west's by 5-10 percentage points pr. year. This means that in about 10 years China's economy in size will be twice that of the US. That means China will dominate in most engineering fields. Also some where the US today is an absolute leader.
Economic figures from China are not very reliable. But they are making smart investments while the US is mostly moving money from one pile to another.
It's hard to say how much is this about scaring the government into action (AI-McCarthyism), or about being jealous that China is not constrained like Western countries are when experimenting with AI because of ingrained in society respect towards privacy, human rights, having to listen to the public opinion (democracy), etc. In another HN thread about AI, big corporations and China, someone mentioned that big Americ…
Ya, it sounds like a scare tactic. China does have advantages, mainly, they have lots of data with less concern for privacy. The Chinese are making huge bets on AI, but they are beginning to sound like Japan in the 1980s with their Fifth generation computing project. Actually, there are so many analogues of China today to Japan in the 1980s (huge housing bubble, booming economy that doesn't seem to stop, a huge bet o…
The difference is that ML today (at least the kind of technologies where China has and is gaining an edge) are deeply embedded in the commercial sector and public security.
We're not talking about China building a superintelligence in some kind of basement of a research facility, we're talking about facial recognition in public spaces, consumer products that get data from a billion customers who all pay and live on a centralised platform and so on. That's a reality already and it's not a stretch to say that China's environment is more suited for this than any other place on the planet.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/02/china...
> The 2017 AAAI meeting—which ultimately relocated to San Francisco—wrapped up just last week. And as expected, Chinese researchers had a strong showing in the historically U.S.-dominated conference. A nearly equal number of accepted papers came from researchers based in China and the U.S. “This is pretty surprising and impressive given how different it was even three, four years back,” says Rao.
"Schmidt provided examples to support his claim that China is poised to dominate the field of AI. While many assume that the Chinese educational system is inferior to the U.S., he pointed out that Chinese people "tend to win many of the top spots" in Google's coding competitions." In the last 5 years, participants from China reached the Google Code Jam finals (top 25 contestants) 12 times. Russian participants did th…
GMail still can't effectively distinguish between real communication and spam. If China overtakes the US in AI, Schmidt and co. are the folks to blame. They are in the drivers seat of intelligence development, yet their efforts are increasingly scattered, and their only consistent focus is on lobbying government. Dear Alphabet, Please make your products and services work before worrying about geopolitical balance of…
Yet another US tech billionaire practically fetishizing China for their devotion to technology over people... Sure, I can certainly get behind greater funding for scientific research and education for our benefit, but China is certainly not a country I would like to emulate whatsoever. My biggest question is, what is the meaning and implication of China "dominating" the AI industries? China overtaking the US in milit…
"Schmidt provided examples to support his claim that China is poised to dominate the field of AI. While many assume that the Chinese educational system is inferior to the U.S., he pointed out that Chinese people "tend to win many of the top spots" in Google's coding competitions." In the last 5 years, participants from China reached the Google Code Jam finals (top 25 contestants) 12 times. Russian participants did th…
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Ya, it sounds like a scare tactic. China does have advantages, mainly, they have lots of data with less concern for privacy. The Chinese are making huge bets on AI, but they are beginning to sound like Japan in the 1980s with their Fifth generation computing project. Actually, there are so many analogues of China today to Japan in the 1980s (huge housing bubble, booming economy that doesn't seem to stop, a huge bet o…
I don't think the comparison to 'neo tokyo' fantasies is warranted. When people were scared of Japan taking over the world with robots, those fifth generation projects were moonshot technologies without any clear commercial application. The difference is that ML today (at least the kind of technologies where China has and is gaining an edge) are deeply embedded in the commercial sector and public security. We're not…
I never said anything about neo tokyo, the fifth generation computing project was never vivid in our imaginations, all most of of us remember about it is the government throwing a bunch of money at AI research and hardware, and that it led directly to the 2nd AI winter. It also correlates nicely with other economic excesses (like China's problematic property bubble).
China still has a problem with attracting world-class talent, mainly because of their environment (great firewall, still way too wicked pollution). There are more Chinese working on ML in Silicon Valley then probably all foreigners working in tech in China. So if ML is a talent game, then I don't see how China will be able to win that in the near term, even with all their local human resources.