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26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Post by dang »

TempAc wrote: post #70
gowld wrote: post #20

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It's always interesting to see that there's a segment of the public discourse that consistently hammers on "melanin" as a predictor of crime, but ignores "testosterone"....

> It's always interesting to see that there's a segment of the public discourse that consistently hammers on "melanin" as a predictor of crime, but ignores "testosterone".... It's interesting to see the strawmen from people who were never interested in getting acquainted with the arguments to begin with. >Mean testosterone levels in blacks were 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher.…

Between the copy-paste-ready talking points and the personal attack, this account is violating the HN guidelines and we've banned it.

This is not a site for ideological battle. When a topic is divisive and ideologically charged to begin with, conversation here needs to become more thoughtful, not less.

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Post by AdeptusAquinas »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #159
_delirium wrote: post #111

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I guess you could lock up ~1% of the population indefinitely, but by the time you've gotten to that point something else has clearly gone wrong, since most affluent countries are able to achieve relatively low violent crime rates without such widespread use of incarceration. If we were talking about 0.01% hard-core violent criminals then sure, just incarcerate them, but 3m+ people? As far as I'm able to find, only tw…

I don't think comparisons to "other affluent countries" are apt; the socioeconomic and cultural makeup of the United States is so starkly different from pretty much any other country (even our immediate neighbors to the north and south). In particular, the institution of slavery and perhaps even more so, the culture of segregation, condescension, and disdain that followed from The Reconstruction onwards resulted in s…

It's been seen plenty of places in the world. Probably most, by area anyway. There are still places where a significant portion of the population are not only disdained and disenfranchised, but actively killed without much consequence: the Rohingya for a current example, or the lowest castes in India

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Post by dang »

sjclemmy wrote: post #23

If I said I could identify a group of people who are responsible for all the horror in the world, you’d think think I was an idiot. But there is one group who is responsible (although you never hear the group blamed for anything). The group? Men.

Please don't post flamebait here. Flamebait plus divisive topic amounts to trolling.

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Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Post by whatyoucantsay »

acdha wrote: post #177
whatyoucantsay wrote: post #134

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Very true. Ben Affleck on Real Time was a perfect example of this. He literally equated challenging bad ideas with racism.

Do you have a citation for that? It’s not what we’re talking about – no one is being criticized for actual science – but the coverage I saw didn’t support that claim at all.

A citation? I shudder at the idea of lending an air of academic gravitas to Bill Maher's Real Time, but yes it's clear that jumping on the “that’s racism” bandwagon, as the gp put it, is exactly what Affleck did.

He was so angered by the statement, "We have been sold this meme of Islamophobia, where every criticism of the doctrine of Islam get conflated as bigotry against Muslims as people. It is intellectually ridiculous." that he went on the offensive and said, "That's gross, it's racist. It's like saying you're a 'shifty Jew.' You guys are saying: 'If you want to be liberals, believe in liberal principles, like freedom of speech"

Whatever your opinion about the acceptability of criticizing Islam over violence, sexism or treatment of homosexuals, it's clear that some people do equate that criticism with racism.

Ideological intolerance can often make people blind to nuanced positions, such as being open to a group of people but not all of their traditional beliefs.

> " no one is being criticized for actual science"

Take a look at what evolutionary psychologists and biologists have been facing over the past decade. The criticism coming form people who have little experience in their fields, but intense political and social beliefs, has been intense.

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Post by jl6 »

ggg9990 wrote: post #164

The utilitarian approach would be to identify the worst n% of the population and pre-emptively kill or imprison them. There would be mistakes for sure though.

Better choose your utility metric carefully, because I’ll bet 90% of the world’s population aren’t necessary to achieving most people’s ideas of goals.

Re: 26% of violent crime convicts account for 63% of violent crime conviction (2014)

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Post by pjc50 »

BigBuzzKill wrote: post #43
stewbrew wrote: post #35

1.) Violent crime is a rare event (in post-WW2 European societies), so the proportion of offenders is rather small. 2.) One time offenders have a hard time getting their feet on the ground after being released from prison. Without appropriate support & back in their old networks, they often have few alternatives than going down that road again. IMHO that's not exactly news. I personally find it slightly surprising th…

Maybe in Europe? Not in the USA it isn’t. We’ve seen drops in homicides and the like in some cities (NYC), but disturbing trends in homicides places like Baltimore and Chicago.

Even in the US it's declining. It's just much higher. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/10/0...

(I suspect from the places named that the more corrupt the police are the more violence is present, but have no evidence for that).

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Post by blfr »

crististm wrote: post #131

Apparently these results confirm Price' square root law. A small fraction of the population does most things, regardless of the subject in question. Search youtube for Jordan Peterson on this topic.

"Jordan Peterson on creative productivity and the One Percent" perhaps?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoPlMU4KiGI

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Post by dazc »

quasse wrote: post #140
dazc wrote: post #93

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'...so if you get past your teens without criminality you seem to not become a criminal' 'Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man' There is a lot of truth in this. When I think back to my childhood there were always a few kids who were just bad. They came from the same background, had the same advantages, and so on but there was still something evil about them. Typical behaviours included stuff like…

>They came from the same background, had the same advantages, and so on Did they really though? Thinking back to my childhood recently, I've come to almost exactly the opposite conclusion. There were some kids who I thought were just naturally shitty until I experienced enough of life to realize that they were the ones getting beaten up by their angry or alcoholic parents or being emotionally abused by a narcissistic…

I think you make a good point, a lot of kids do grow up in dysfunctional households and this is bound to have an impact. I knew kids like this too.

In the cases I described before though, I honestly don't think this explains it. If it does their parents were doing a good job of hiding it?

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

rayiner wrote: post #126
flexie wrote: post #68

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_... Check out the list based on Alesina’s analysis. Or go to Sweden. In the younger population groups, muslims are now are huge minority.

That index lists Canada as more diverse than the US, which is definitely false having been to both. Online sources suggest about 30% of Stockholm is non-Swedish, and most of those people are European. New York and Chicago are only about 30-35% European descent, and that’s mixed between Irish, German, Swedish, English, etc.

Canada ranks highly on these lists partly because they have a large population group that speaks a second national language and were relatively serious about independence.

For whatever reason that objective "diversity" doesn't seem diverse to some people.

They also seem to have more but smaller (as a percentage of the total) ethnic groups than the US. Again, while mathematically more diverse than a big chunk of African or Latin-Americans, people seem to view this as less diverse.

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