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A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

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Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I was referring to the stock market. Also, are you claiming to be a market maker? I used to be a market maker of stock options, amongst other things. > It doesn't take 30 mins after the news breaks for stocks to move When it comes to markets, test every assumption. In reality, information diffusion is unpredictable and heterogenous [1]. This is due to, in part, the "effects of limited attention in at least part of…

Options are great, even for individuals. The main issue is that everything is in size 100 lots, so a huge number of stocks are simply "too big" for me to regularly use options on as an individual. If I were to do something like sell a put option on AAPL ($156.41 at the moment) would be $15641 into a single stock that I may have to put up. I'm closer to ~$5000 per trade as an individual, its not like I have as much mo…

Could you recommend any resource for gaining that understanding of options? Not just technically, but in terms of the strategies you've sketched here (obviously I can and have googled the definitions).

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#82
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In trading and the markets, you can beat the drums of war for as long as you want. At some point you will be vindicated. Then everyone will look back at you and think "genius!". Ultimately, timing is everything. I can tell you markets will be X in Y time. Within reason, there's a good chance it will happen. Question is just "when?" The problem with strong views is whether they can be maintained. Being short in a risi…

Do you write software? I don't get trading and I want to. I get programming. If you understand both that's great. I even took one masters course (as part of my bachelors degree) in financial mathematics about options, future, derivatives etc. but it didn't click at the time. I have funds to invest but every time I look into getting into I cannot bring myself to do it because I cannot stop my brain thinking it's gambl…

> I have funds to invest but every time I look into getting into I cannot bring myself to do it because I cannot stop my brain thinking it's gambling. Without insider knowledge I don't understand how I could beat the market short term.

If you have programming skill and a good understanding of statistics, do the following:

1. Identify a subset of equities in the total market which a) have fairly one dimensional revenue streams, b) have a market capitalization of at least ~$1-2B, and c) are not prone to extraordinary hype or tech-centric accounting, such that e.g. a "win" or a "loss" in an earnings announcement is fairly straightforward to understand (and therefore you can more easily, if not perfectly predict how the market will react).

2. Identify a strong, legal source of alternative data that maps directly to the revenue stream of one of these companies. The more difficult to find and collect, the better. Use your programming skills to automate the collection and curation of this dataset.

3. Incubate your dataset for a period of several months, then build it into a timeseries. Using the timeseries, build a model that forecasts the expected revenue of each particular company using historical 10-K and 10-Q documents.

4. For the companies whose data imply a jump in either direction that is very unexpected (according to e.g. the aggregate analyst consensus), take a contrarian position in the equity. If you're feeling very confident and have a higher risk tolerance, study options and take the corresponding derivative position.

5. In particular, establish a target win rate overall, a target tolerable drawdown period overall, and a target exit price (sufficient win or bearable loss) for each position, then follow it.

If you do this correctly and consistently, you will profit significantly and consistently enough that your system will be fully distinguishable from uninformed gambling. To equip you with a bit of meta-analysis here, this outline works because a) all trading strategies profit from finding opportunities to exploit pricing inefficiencies in various securities (or groups thereof), and b) the only way to deliberately identify those opportunities is by having information, access, or techniques that the broader market does not have yet (or else the price would reflect that information).

The great difficulty in this process is finding and analyzing the alternative data in the first place. As a fallback, if you're not confident you can build a trading strategy with this data you can also sell it to hedge funds, who will be very happy to buy it if it actually maps to revenue and is otherwise unknown.

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#84

I hadn't heard of the volatility index (VIX) until I read a short article about it in the last issue of the London Review of Books. Might be worth looking at of you want a little bit of background on this story: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v40/n02/donald-mackenzie/short-cuts

I highly recommend the London Review of Books - it is my favorite print publication and has excellent current events and political writing (along with the book reviews, which are also quite encompassing).

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#85

And a bunch of other people lost exactly the same amount, because none of them are creating anything.

Remember, not everyone participating in the financial markets is simply speculating. Indeed, many market participants are hedging their business operations, future production/consumption of physical commodities, etc. So, when a speculator takes the opposite position of someone looking to hedge risk value is created for the hedger. Sure, it's not necessarily tangible, but it isn't nothing.

I would agree with you 99% of the time, but not for these products.

Professional fund managers who want to insure against volatility can easily trade VIX futures or index options. They wouldn't use an ETP that can only replicate daily returns which erodes longer holding period returns, with high internal fees, daily roll costs, etc.

Same goes for other products like 3x inverse leveraged oil ETPs. The Southwests and Exxon Mobils of the world would never hedge with those. They'd go to ICE/CME or have a bank/energy producer write a bespoke forward contract.

The people trading these exotic products are the /r/wallstreetbets crowd. They're basically gambling instruments because of the amped up returns. They aren't suitable for the retail investor because they can't understand the mechanics, and professionals have better choices. Really no reason for these to exist, and I wouldn't be surprised to see more scrutiny after retail traders lost everything in inverse VIX this week.

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Options are great, even for individuals. The main issue is that everything is in size 100 lots, so a huge number of stocks are simply "too big" for me to regularly use options on as an individual. If I were to do something like sell a put option on AAPL ($156.41 at the moment) would be $15641 into a single stock that I may have to put up. I'm closer to ~$5000 per trade as an individual, its not like I have as much mo…

Could you recommend any resource for gaining that understanding of options? Not just technically, but in terms of the strategies you've sketched here (obviously I can and have googled the definitions).

> Could you recommend any resource for gaining that understanding of options?

The Options Clearing Corporation [1] actually has a solid set of introductory courses [2]. That said, I am very conservative about when I believe individual investors should be trading options. (With surplus investment capital, i.e. after tax-advantaged retirement accounts and liquidity reserves have been maxed out, and principally for purposes of hedging (versus leverage).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Options_Clearing_Corporation

[2] https://www.theocc.com/education/

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#87
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The other side of the bet just went bust. Credit Suisse Fund Liquidated, ETFs Halted as Short-Vol Bets Die https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-06/credit-su...

"The other side of the bet just went bust."

I don't think it's accurate to say it "went bust". In fact, Credit Suisse had a (oft ignored) provision in the prospectus of the ETN that very clearly stated that they would liquidate and terminate the product if it exhibited certain behaviors.

Credit Suisse built the product "safely" in a way that did not expose them to losses. The "investors", however, who were almost certainly using the ETN incorrectly, were exposed to heavy losses:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-06/xiv-trader-loses-4...

"incorrectly", in this context, would be anything other than very, very short (less than one day) holding to hedge other risks.

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#88
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you write software? I don't get trading and I want to. I get programming. If you understand both that's great. I even took one masters course (as part of my bachelors degree) in financial mathematics about options, future, derivatives etc. but it didn't click at the time. I have funds to invest but every time I look into getting into I cannot bring myself to do it because I cannot stop my brain thinking it's gambl…

> I have funds to invest but every time I look into getting into I cannot bring myself to do it because I cannot stop my brain thinking it's gambling. Without insider knowledge I don't understand how I could beat the market short term. If you have programming skill and a good understanding of statistics, do the following: 1. Identify a subset of equities in the total market which a) have fairly one dimensional revenu…

To give a concrete example of what you're describing (one that no longer works) - this is from memory from an earlier discussion here on HN - years ago someone discovered that FedEx tracking numbers for Apple products were essentially serial in nature. In other words, if you ordered an iPhone and got tracking number X, and then a week later you ordered another one and got tracking number X + 500,000, it meant that Apple had sold 500,000 products online in that time period. Turns out that number was highly correlated with Apple earnings. The person in question claimed to have sold highly accurate "Apple earnings predictions" to hedge funds for 100K-200K per quarter per hedge fund.

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#89
post #76

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Why's it a waste? Low latency traders facilitate risk transfer in thousands of instruments at razor thin margins using automation. They keep prices efficient through arbitrage or predictive modeling. Even during extreme market stress I can trade SPY in my brokerage account within a penny of its true value. If the S&P 500 index futures or the S&P 500 stocks move, someone will update the price of SPY instantaneously. Y…

How much of that is simply splitting pennies and front running slower traders? Is that truely creating value? Seems like they’re siphoning value to me.

Not sure what you mean by splitting pennies, earning the bid/offer spread? That's common but the person who paid the spread to them got to trade instantly instead of waiting for another natural buyer or seller. The spread is payment for providing a service, just like an insurance company earns the spread between what you pay in premiums and their expected losses on claims. High speed market makers compete with each other so the spreads they end up earning are tiny.

The majority of high speed traders are trading their own account and don't have customer orders to front run. If you prefer a loose definition of front running to mean something like "reacting to changes in the market faster than others" then yes, but I don't see anything problematic with using public data to make your prices more accurate faster.

If you believe markets operate well without intermediaries, there are block crossing services where institutional investors can try to match up with one another. I'm sure institutions would prefer trading that way, but it turns out finding someone trying to do the exact opposite trade at exactly the same time is very difficult--volume transacted on these systems is small.

Re: A Tiny Hedge Fund Made 8,600% on a Vix Bet

#90
I feel like a lot of the comments here are about how volatility of course will go up at some point and these guys had lucky timing, or about the market in general. But there's interesting tidbits to the whole thing beyond this.

What's interesting about this fund's particular bet isn't that they we're _right_ about the market but they correctly bet that the structural ability of the ETN/ETF product to properly hedge the risk associated with the fund goals was either too difficult or in certain events literally impossible. And that a certain event (like even what most would consider right now as a regular correction) would blow up said fund. In fact, even bastard cousins of the fund that are meant to do the exact opposite thing in these conditions may also feel the same deathknell (https://finance.google.com/finance?q=xiv).

And just to look a little deeper into the bet itself... They were using options (derivatives) on a fund (a derivative) using swaps (derivatives) linked to the VIX (a derivative) which is a measure of volatility of an index (a derivative) of the S&P components.

You too can replicate these winnings by just finding a niche mis-pricing on a derivative of a derivative of a derivative of a derivative of a derivative of a derivative!

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