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Altered Carbon – All the DNA of great science-fiction with some missing links

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Re: Altered Carbon – All the DNA of great science-fiction with some missing links

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A central theme of Altered Carbon is the effect of immortality, wealth and power on parent-child relationships and social hierarchy.

One of the executive producers is David Ellison, son of billionaire Larry Ellison.

Another exec producer is James Vanderbilt, descendant of the Gilded Age Vanderbilts, once the wealthiest family in America.

There's some overlap with virtual reality themes from Joss Whedon's Dollhouse. Dichen Lachman has a role in both shows.

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I've only read the book, haven't seen the series. I wonder if I'm alone in my opinion - the book has a great storyline, great setting, ideas and concepts, but all the interactions seem to be heavy-handed sarcasm, and that gets old. It's almost like someone put a sarcasm Instagram filter, or applied style transfer to pretty much every interaction. I mean I get it, it's supposed to be gritty and noire - however, "edgy"…

I’m a huge Morgan fan, but yeah, my biggest criticism is that he’s really hung up on writing about tough guys.

Sequel is a banger, though, I recommend it.

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The show is mostly _fun_, but I definitely wouldn't call it a _great_ or well-made show, apart from the visuals. Too much clunky dialogue and half-baked subplots. In particular, there's a certain traumatized daughter whose plot never makes sense at any turn. The show seems to expect us to already know and have a major emotional investment in a character who we've never seen speak and who seems to have almost no tangi…

In the book, which I'd recommend if you enjoyed the concepts surrounding digitized consciousness, the subplot with the traumatized daughter serves to introduce a pretty pivotal character/plot point.

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Haven't read the book because the back cover made it sound pretty cookie-cutter. The show is surprisingly good, good cinematography, some nice visual ideas, good cast, overall a very solid cyberpunk-noir world is built. Ok, a lot of the visual design is pretty recycled - 45 degree angles make things scifi right?- and unfortunately the main plot underlying it all seems to be the usual "Rich sociopaths vs the rest of the world" dystopia that hasn't been thought out well enough to make it interesting. But despite having little real foundation, the edifice they've built has kept me interested so far.

Re: Altered Carbon – All the DNA of great science-fiction with some missing links

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I've only read the book, haven't seen the series. I wonder if I'm alone in my opinion - the book has a great storyline, great setting, ideas and concepts, but all the interactions seem to be heavy-handed sarcasm, and that gets old. It's almost like someone put a sarcasm Instagram filter, or applied style transfer to pretty much every interaction. I mean I get it, it's supposed to be gritty and noire - however, "edgy"…

I didn't finish the book. Even for a young adults sci-fi novel, it's very badly written.

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I am currently about 5 episodes in and I am enjoying it so far. The 5th episode has kinda lost some of the excitement that the first 4 had, but I'm hoping it it picks up again. I know that this series is based on a book, and I have been looking for more sci-fi books to read. Does anyone have any insight on how the TV series compares to the book and whether it is worth reading?

On reddit there is some kind of consensus that the series is great up until around episode 7, when it gets from bad to worse. I personally did read about half the book until I lost interest. So I guess the series and the book have that in common. Anyway, from what I've read the series is more or less true to the book, except from episode 7 when even I could notice some major differences (mainly the nature and motivat…

Yeah they kind of added CTAC that kind of acts like the Envoys did in the book. I see why they did it though it gave them a way to work in more backstory and info on the Quellists that the book didn't really get into iirc.

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The show is mostly _fun_, but I definitely wouldn't call it a _great_ or well-made show, apart from the visuals. Too much clunky dialogue and half-baked subplots. In particular, there's a certain traumatized daughter whose plot never makes sense at any turn. The show seems to expect us to already know and have a major emotional investment in a character who we've never seen speak and who seems to have almost no tangi…

Yes, I agree... character development was very weak for pretty much everyone but Tak and Ortega, and even they were pretty shaky.

I put this show in the camp good concepts, good visuals, decent fights, but the characters are just along for whatever ride the writers want to take them on.

Also, the plot had my eyes rolling a little too often for my taste. Much of the future tech ended up being a hammer that could force the story through any hole they wanted while other elements didn't make sense to exist in the way they were portrayed.

The Raven AI was cool, but their weak excuse for how those constructs were neglected and not used everywhere didn't make any sense given his role as the story played out.

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I am currently about 5 episodes in and I am enjoying it so far. The 5th episode has kinda lost some of the excitement that the first 4 had, but I'm hoping it it picks up again. I know that this series is based on a book, and I have been looking for more sci-fi books to read. Does anyone have any insight on how the TV series compares to the book and whether it is worth reading?

The books are worth reading.

If you're interested in "people upload their conciousness" you might want to read some of Greg Egan's stuff. He's done a wider range, covering more situations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind_uploading_in_fiction

> The fiction of Greg Egan has explored many of the philosophical, ethical, legal, and identity aspects of mind transfer, as well as the financial and computing aspects (i.e. hardware, software, processing power) of maintaining "copies." In Egan's Permutation City (1994), Diaspora (1997) and Zendegi (2010), "copies" are made by computer simulation of scanned brain physiology. See also Egan's "jewelhead" stories, where the mind is transferred from the organic brain to a small, immortal backup computer at the base of the skull, the organic brain then being surgically removed.

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A central theme of Altered Carbon is the effect of immortality, wealth and power on parent-child relationships and social hierarchy. One of the executive producers is David Ellison, son of billionaire Larry Ellison. Another exec producer is James Vanderbilt, descendant of the Gilded Age Vanderbilts, once the wealthiest family in America. There's some overlap with virtual reality themes from Joss Whedon's Dollhouse .…

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Re: Altered Carbon – All the DNA of great science-fiction with some missing links

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A lot of the adaption was good but so many of the changes to the plot and characters were in the direction of pushing it into a cookie cutter Hollywood show that I eventually lost patience and didn't finish. Like the changes to Quellism, making the main character more of a chosen one, the soap opera-ish familial ties, and the mystical matrix warping powers.
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