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Agreed, look at it from their perspective. They haven't been around a lot of money before, they don't have a lot of friends who have been around a lot of money either, so they don't really know even what questions to ask to understand the people who are arguing to be their financial advisors. Perhaps major league sports would do well to help train their athletes in the basics of financial management in order to help…
The best thing a person can do in such a situation is to put the money in a savings account, and then set about learning what to do. Nobody is going to have their best interests at heart but themselves. If you want to have money, you have to learn to manage it yourself. There's not really a choice about it. Also, hire a properly licensed CPA. Make sure to listen to his advice on taxes. Don't give him a financial ince…
How and Why Athletes Go Broke (2009)
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#122So many of these athletes feel that they are role models and civic leaders, yet they can't so much as balance a budget. Our culture glorifies these guys so much when they are much more like lottery winners than anything else. It doesn't take intelligence to be 6-8 and jump out of a gym.
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#123I recommend basic financial classes for everyone k-12, everyone should have the right to basic understanding of personal finances and basic economics.
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So now naivety (ignorance) is a moral failing?
No, who said anything about right or wrong here? What I said is responsibility. If you're naive/ignorant/otherwise unprepared then the answer is to ask for help and learn so you can be better prepared. That would be best for your future but it's ultimately up to you and nobody else really cares what you do.
So, yes, it does appear you're talking about right and wrong.
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#125I don't know all the tax implications around huge salaries like these, but every time I read one of these stories I always wonder why they don't just stick their money in t-bills or CDs. Something completely risk free that will get a modest return. If you have 20 million in the bank do you really need to invest in high risk stuff to try to double your money? The problem is everyone they've ever known comes out of the…
But it's not really taxes that are the problem. ESPN's "Broke" documentary covered it well and it's a combination of many factors. Financial literacy is high on the list. One story told in the documentary has a rookie cashing his $500k signing bonus at a check cashing store because that's the only thing he knew to do with checks. When you're underbanked, simple things like t-bills or index funds and even checking accounts are a part of a completely separate world.
The second is lifestyle. When you're new to the league, everyone is buying expensive cars, jewelry and other frivolous purchases and there's pressure to keep up. And since you're traveling with your teammates, they're your social circle as well, so expensive meals out, clubs and other distractions on the road end up costing money. And being known to have lots of money makes you a target, both for people you knew before going pro and for women who see child support as a ticket to a better life.
And the common pattern is that players live it up and don't save much in the first half of their careers and then realize that there's going to come an end to the high income stream and that they need to make it last the rest of their lives, only to find that simple, stable investments aren't going to get them to a point where they can provide for everyone they feel responsible for once they're out of the league. So they end up chasing long-shot investments that almost always result in a total loss, making the problem even worse.
Some of this isn't much different from most people in other professions. The main difference is that athletes have their prime earning years during a time in their lives where they're still financially irresponsible. I know most of my friends didn't save much during their early-to-mid 20s. We spent way too much going out to bars and clubs, bought toys that were way more than we should have been spending and basically lived paycheck-to-paycheck despite the fact that we could've been saving a bit. These guys have that same period, just with a lot more money. But whereas the rest of us get to keep earning until we retire in our 60s/70s, often with the highest salaries coming near the end, these guys have their prime earning years end, often abruptly, usually well before the age of 40.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
The best thing a person can do in such a situation is to put the money in a savings account, and then set about learning what to do. Nobody is going to have their best interests at heart but themselves. If you want to have money, you have to learn to manage it yourself. There's not really a choice about it. Also, hire a properly licensed CPA. Make sure to listen to his advice on taxes. Don't give him a financial ince…
If you put that kind of money in a savings account, the bank will call you twice a day until they have made you move the money into something more profitable (for them.)
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Skates are more expensive than cleats. Hockey sticks break or are grown out of, and decent ones are a few hundred bucks.
A quick look at Google shopping disagrees with shoes vs skates and hockey sticks. Although I'm not up to speed at what qualifies as a decent hockey stick and the required cost.
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No, who said anything about right or wrong here? What I said is responsibility. If you're naive/ignorant/otherwise unprepared then the answer is to ask for help and learn so you can be better prepared. That would be best for your future but it's ultimately up to you and nobody else really cares what you do.
You didn't say "responsibility", you said "personal responsibility". "Personal" implies that they should take sole responsibility for their circumstances, ignoring any other agents involved. So, yes, it does appear you're talking about right and wrong.
The comment I was originally responding to said teams "should require [athletes] to sign a consent form for arms-length management of their capital" which I absolutely don't agree with because they are adults who can choose for themselves. And yes, it's personal because it's their money and their choice to either spend it or do something else.
I don't care what or how they do it, and there's no inherent wrong or right involved. It's their paycheck and they can do whatever they want with it... but taking away their agency in the first place doesn't solve anything and certainly doesn't magically teach better decision making in the future.
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I wonder how much shady side-betting these financial advisors do. It's easy to make a few hundred thousand, if you get to decide where your client invests a few million. Reminds me of the good old Goldman Sachs, who made a killing betting _against_ their clients. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/apr/25/goldman-sachs-...
I've never understood this perspective. If I buy something from Goldman then they think the price is too high and I think the price is too low. If I sell something to Goldman then they think the price is too low and I think it's too high. If they're not willing to bet against me then they'll say something like "sorry trader was off the desk". Or if they're just less willing to bet against me then they'll say "sorry m…
If I buy a $5 sandwich at a deli, it’s not the case that I think they’re suckers for valuing $5 more than the sandwich, and I doubt they think I’m a sucker for the inverse. Clearly, what’s really going on is that I am hungry and cannot eat a five dollar bill, whereas the deli has way more sandwich ingredients than they need to eat themselves, and they need money for other expenses. We both benefit.
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#130Let us not forget that even in 2018, your Financial Advisor (loosely defined) may not be obligated to act in your best interest [0]. The Financial Services industry has been fighting hard for the gravy train to continue unabated for years. Fortunately for them, Trump has been very receptive to their plight and doesn't want the party to end just yet.[1] [0] http://time.com/money/4809060/fiduciary-rule-financial-advis.…