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Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by krapp »

Joeboy wrote: post #6
OwlsParliament wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to the film, much of soft sci-fi does this. Iron Man happening to create an arc reactor in a cave coming to mind.

Oh totally, it's maybe a bit awkward that I'm attaching this criticism to this particular film, given that showing non-white-male people in films seems to be oddly politically controversial right now. I just wonder if the unreasonable efficacy of fictional nerds might be an even bigger psychological problem for poorly represented groups than they are for my white male self. I think I've actually seen this arise IRL.

But which is the bigger problem for those groups - having those unrealistic role models, or not having them to begin with?

Black Panther's origin as a billionaire super scientist/martial arts expert with high tech body armor and mystical powers isn't that unusual as superhero origins go, what's unusual is having that power fantasy template attached to a character who isn't white.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by Joeboy »

krapp wrote: post #11
Joeboy wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh totally, it's maybe a bit awkward that I'm attaching this criticism to this particular film, given that showing non-white-male people in films seems to be oddly politically controversial right now. I just wonder if the unreasonable efficacy of fictional nerds might be an even bigger psychological problem for poorly represented groups than they are for my white male self. I think I've actually seen this arise IRL.

But which is the bigger problem for those groups - having those unrealistic role models, or not having them to begin with? Black Panther's origin as a billionaire super scientist/martial arts expert with high tech body armor and mystical powers isn't that unusual as superhero origins go, what's unusual is having that power fantasy template attached to a character who isn't white.

> which is the bigger problem for those groups - having those unrealistic role models, or not having them to begin with?

I think they're probably both a problem, but the latter seems to get talked about and somewhat addressed, and the former not so much (not at all in fact, afaik). My (tentative) hunch is that letting people know that it's supposed to be hard and you're supposed to struggle might result in more non-white-male people making it into STEM than more minority wizard characters.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by Cheyana »

slazaro wrote: post #5
OwlsParliament wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to the film, much of soft sci-fi does this. Iron Man happening to create an arc reactor in a cave coming to mind.

Or a particle accelerator in his basement, generating an element that didn't exist before.

Or a serum injected into your body, while being exposed to radiation, to transform you into a peak physical specimen.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by cimmanom »

gooseus wrote: post #9
cimmanom wrote: post #2

This article's headline doesn't do it justice.

Can you explain why not? Not to imply that I disagree with your sentiment, but comments around these parts are encouraged to contain more substance and create or add to a discussion.

The title on HN has since been changed. It was previously the article title: "The Black Panther's Secret Superpower". Which doesn't give any hint as to why that superpower is actually interesting. "Oh, I didn't know that he had x-ray vision" would have been really boring, and I almost didn't click through to read the article because of that.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by probablynot »

Joeboy wrote: post #12
krapp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But which is the bigger problem for those groups - having those unrealistic role models, or not having them to begin with? Black Panther's origin as a billionaire super scientist/martial arts expert with high tech body armor and mystical powers isn't that unusual as superhero origins go, what's unusual is having that power fantasy template attached to a character who isn't white.

> which is the bigger problem for those groups - having those unrealistic role models, or not having them to begin with? I think they're probably both a problem, but the latter seems to get talked about and somewhat addressed, and the former not so much (not at all in fact, afaik). My (tentative) hunch is that letting people know that it's supposed to be hard and you're supposed to struggle might result in more non-w…

I feel like that's the kind of nuance you learn as you get older. Black Panther might inspire some pre-teens to start down the path to science, and someday they'll probably see October Sky or whatever the current equivalent is.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by maxerickson »

slazaro wrote: post #5
OwlsParliament wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair to the film, much of soft sci-fi does this. Iron Man happening to create an arc reactor in a cave coming to mind.

Or a particle accelerator in his basement, generating an element that didn't exist before.

Or an AI that is smarter than most humans, and super strong materials and super powerful miniaturized actuators and on and on.

And don't forget being a stone cold killer. He's breezy cool in lots of scenes that follow the deaths of multiple adversaries.

Re: The Black Panther’s scientist role models

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Post by IntronExon »

maxerickson wrote: post #16
slazaro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or a particle accelerator in his basement, generating an element that didn't exist before.

Or an AI that is smarter than most humans, and super strong materials and super powerful miniaturized actuators and on and on. And don't forget being a stone cold killer. He's breezy cool in lots of scenes that follow the deaths of multiple adversaries.

A sociopathic, yet brilliant biollionaire? Probably the most realistic part.
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