Not even a single mention of the risks of increasing mTor signalling due to extra protein. You would be well advised to keep that in mind.
First I've ever heard of this, and google tells me that mTor is a unit of vacuum - could you explain please?
Lift Weights, Eat More Protein, Especially If You’re Over 40
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is amusing, because in this context the bodybuilders are fundamentally doing science. They have experiments (aka, exercise and eating regiments) that, as I understand it, are repeatable, and consistently produce the desired outcome, at least in terms of sculpted muscle and body fat.
Modern bodybuilders don't have incredible life spans, either, so they face the consequences.
Yeah, pumping yourself full of tren, clen, and designer drugs, as well as getting up to 400+ lbs will do that to you.
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#83> The impacts of this extra protein were not enormous. Almost everyone who started or continued weight training became stronger in these studies, whether they ate more protein or not. But those who did ramp up their protein gained an extra 10 percent or so in strength and about 25 percent in muscle mass compared to the control groups. Maybe it's me, but 10% extra performance and 25% extra muscle mass sounds like quit…
Is it not that they gained 110% of the performance (125% of the mass) that the control group gained?
English technically isn't my first language, but from what I understand having 110% of performance is equal to 1.1x control group performance, gaining 110% of performance would be 2.1x control group performance.
EDIT: Oh, I grokked the comment by mikeyouse and you now. Yes, I see what you mean.
Anyway, compare this to optimising code programming: there are big changes like switching algorithms, or more incremental improvements, like re-using arrays to reduce memory allocations. I'd say the former is like changing the type of sports/exercise, and the latter is more like this dietary change. For an incremental optimisation, 1.1x is quite significant, no? (there isn't really an analogy for bulking up though; since there isn't a causal relationship between code size and performance and smaller is considered better)
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Grave mistake" is a hyperbolic criticism, considering your only arguments for calisthenics revolve around strength based on personal anecdotal evidence, and a personal, subjective view of aesthetics. I've tried calisthenics and lacks in many areas. For starters, it woefully neglects the legs. Pistol squats and bridges are not nearly as taxing as barbell squats and deadlifts, though bridges have the added benefit of…
It sounds like you didn’t use gymnastic rings. I agree it doesn’t target the legs as much, and that’s one area where weightlifting helps, but unless you are doing the most complicated version of many calisthenics exercises (i.e. human flags, v-sit, iron crosses, dragon flags...) then you are not quite at the plateau. It’s easy to neglect other things with barbell training. You need to train your flexibility, you need…
To me, you are making it blatantly obvious that you barely know what you're talking about. Not only are you basing your claims on only the anecdotal evidence which is your subjective experience, but you are also making completely outrageous claims.
Someone who has exclusively trained calisthenics isn't going to be magically able to lift two times his own body weight, simply because your body and muscles will get used to training with the same load and strength gains will simply plateau. Someone who has specifically trained to get stronger by using an increasing load is going to be able to lift more than his own bodyweight.
Stop trying to sell one thing as the cure, denouncing everything else. Ultimately the most important thing is that people just do any kind of exercise. People should do what they like best - be it calisthenics, weightlifting or even powerwalking. Naturally, one approach might be objectively better for your health than another in the long run, but that doesn't matter if the alternative is not doing any exercise at all.
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#85> The impacts of this extra protein were not enormous. Almost everyone who started or continued weight training became stronger in these studies, whether they ate more protein or not. But those who did ramp up their protein gained an extra 10 percent or so in strength and about 25 percent in muscle mass compared to the control groups. Maybe it's me, but 10% extra performance and 25% extra muscle mass sounds like quit…
* RET = Resistance Exercise Training * 1RM = 1 Repetition Maximum Strength "The average RET-induced increase, with all measures of 1RM included, was 27kg (mean±SD; 27±22kg22 32). Notably, dietary protein supplementation augmented the increase in 1RM strength by 2.49kg (9%; figure 2; see online supplementary figure 4), which strongly suggests that the practice of RET is a far more potent stimulus for increasing muscle…
Ah, thank you. You guessed correctly that I misunderstood to which the percentages applied (although I blame the phrasing of the article)
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you didn’t use gymnastic rings. I agree it doesn’t target the legs as much, and that’s one area where weightlifting helps, but unless you are doing the most complicated version of many calisthenics exercises (i.e. human flags, v-sit, iron crosses, dragon flags...) then you are not quite at the plateau. It’s easy to neglect other things with barbell training. You need to train your flexibility, you need…
To me, you are making it blatantly obvious that you barely know what you're talking about. Not only are you basing your claims on only the anecdotal evidence which is your subjective experience, but you are also making completely outrageous claims. Someone who has exclusively trained calisthenics isn't going to be magically able to lift two times his own body weight, simply because your body and muscles will get used…
>"Someone who has exclusively trained calisthenics isn't going to be magically able to lift two times his own body weight"
I have personally witnessed a gymnast who had never bench pressed before in his life bench press ~400lbs while weighing ~200lbs.
I won't speak to some of the OPs other points but you are severely underestimating calisthenics.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
It sounds like you didn’t use gymnastic rings. I agree it doesn’t target the legs as much, and that’s one area where weightlifting helps, but unless you are doing the most complicated version of many calisthenics exercises (i.e. human flags, v-sit, iron crosses, dragon flags...) then you are not quite at the plateau. It’s easy to neglect other things with barbell training. You need to train your flexibility, you need…
To me, you are making it blatantly obvious that you barely know what you're talking about. Not only are you basing your claims on only the anecdotal evidence which is your subjective experience, but you are also making completely outrageous claims. Someone who has exclusively trained calisthenics isn't going to be magically able to lift two times his own body weight, simply because your body and muscles will get used…
I used to think the same. I avoided body weight exercises because I figured my body just isn’t that heavy and I need to lift heavier weights to become stronger.
What I later realized is that body weight becomes very difficult by merely changing the technique. There are a lot of body weight exercises that are some of the hardest lifts I’ve ever done.
A person who has been dedicated to calisthenics can almost certain lift twice their body weight or more. Some can even squat a ton of weight without ever hitting the squat racks.
Like I said, the strength you build from calisthenics is very deceptive. People look at you and underestimate your strength because you don’t look like a weight lifter.
I’ll give you an example, sit on the floor with your legs straight out in front of you, back straight, and palms flat on the ground next to your knees. From this position, keep your back straight, legs straight, and lift your legs up as close as possible to your chest and hold it there for 10 seconds. Seems difficult? There’s calisthenics guys who can not only bring their legs all the way up, they can do it while simultaneously lifting their entire body off the ground in this position. Doesn’t matter how much weight you push in the gym, you will never be able to do that without the strong stabilizing muscles you can only get through calisthenics. And nothing you do with weights will ever be as useful or as impressive as feats of strength like this.
Re: Lift Weights, Eat More Protein, Especially If You’re Over 40
#88Not even a single mention of the risks of increasing mTor signalling due to extra protein. You would be well advised to keep that in mind.
First I've ever heard of this, and google tells me that mTor is a unit of vacuum - could you explain please?
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thanks. Do you know of any naturally-high-in-protein plant-based source that isn't soy (i.e. tofu etc) or hemp? Asking cos I've had a hard time finding protein dense plant based alternatives, and as a vegetarian, it's really hard to get a lot of proteins from plant-based sources without processed stuff like Vega etc. I do eat quinoa but 1) it's very expensive and 2) you have to eat 2 or 3 cups of cooked quinoa to get…
Plant sources tend to have a higher ratio of calories to protein, so it's tough if you're limiting calories. Chickpeas, eggplant, and tahini all have protein; Trader Joe's Eggplant Hummus has all three, but somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients (not sure how that can work). Mushrooms are good too. Also seitan if you don't mind something a little more "processed".
> somehow manages to claim a lower calorie-to-protein ratio than any of its ingredients
Hummus usually has more oil added on top of the tahini. And chickpeas are the main ingredient and they have a lot of starch on top of the protein.
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#90Protein is good, but not too much from meat: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196 > CONCLUSIONS AND RELEVANCE: > High animal protein intake was positively associated with cardiovascular mortality and high plant protein intake was inversely associated with all-cause and cardiovascular mortality, especially among individuals with at least 1 lifestyle risk factor. Substitution of plant protein for animal protein…
Thanks. Do you know of any naturally-high-in-protein plant-based source that isn't soy (i.e. tofu etc) or hemp? Asking cos I've had a hard time finding protein dense plant based alternatives, and as a vegetarian, it's really hard to get a lot of proteins from plant-based sources without processed stuff like Vega etc. I do eat quinoa but 1) it's very expensive and 2) you have to eat 2 or 3 cups of cooked quinoa to get…
Soy is safe for all but a small few who are allergic. (true of any food)
The dairy industry did a stupendous job convincing people it will interfere with their hormones though. Master class in PR.