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Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Indeed, they are and have been trending up for a few years now. The fashion calls it Athleisure.

Also, healthgoth fashion

this 'healthgoth' thing looks pretty much exactly like 'darker' styles of rave fashion for the last 20-25 years..

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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That doesn't explain why people in the poorest countries dress better than Americans. People living in the slums of India/Nigeria/Brazil are more likely to have a collared shirt and dress pants than an American going to work in an office.

This. I see two things happening here: (1) American spending less on clothing and (2) Americans having less self-pride in their attire and presentation. I've spent a fair amount of time in Latin American countries, and a real sure-fire way to identify tourists is to look for people poorly-dressed or those who look like they just don't care about how they look. E.g., despite much of Mexico being quite hot, you will al…

ITT: Silly foreigners that need to spend more time traveling. None of this should be revelatory. People are different, and 'dress well' is subjective.

Personally I want to punch most of these supposedly 'well dressed' people. They all look the same to me.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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>> Apparel is being displaced by travel, eating out and activities The apparel and technology spending lines basically mirror each other. Why is travel mentioned? Tech is the new status symbol for the masses. $600 phone instead of a $600 watch, leather jacket, etc

Travel is far more of a status symbol than tech. $600 iPhones and jackets don't compare to $5k safaris and hiking trips, not to mention even being able to have the time off to do it. Easiest way to stratify a group by wealth is start talking about where and how often they go on vacation.

plus it provides lots of 'jumping in the air on the beach', 'hiking machu picchu' and 'meditating on the mountaintop' photos for ones social media/online dating profile..

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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> non-wage benefits have been increasing This is codeword to say that gains are going to people of high net worth. Most of the population still survives on wages (excepts for the ones out of work). So what you're saying doesn't disprove the fact that for most people income is going down, adjusted for inflation and for costs that don't appear on inflation statistics (housing, health care).

The non-wage benefit that's increasing the fastest is probably health care benefits, which is likely mostly captured by the middle class, not high net worth individuals.

This is a benefit that cannot be accessed as disposable income, so we are back to square one. It is just a transfer of wealth from most companies to the health care sector, masked as a benefit to workers.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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European here: when visiting my company HQ I was surprised how casual Americans dress for work. I am not saying devs should wear suit and tie, nothing like that, but even my bosses boss* was wearing what looked like a rumpled sweater with worn out jeans. And I don't mean like fashion statement rumpled and worn out, more like the "great depression" crumpled and worn out. Jules and Vincent in their new t-shirts would f…

a) american culture values rebelliousness, not 'being presumptuous' and has lost the 'proving our moral superiority to others' slant that it used to have when americans dressed up, hence huge casualness these days

b) nyc and east coast fashion has largely been about dark colors / clean lines and 'chic' since at least the 50s/60s and probably since the 20s or earlier.. things will be hugely different color-wise outside of the northeast (dc up through boston corridor)

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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I've always had difficulty finding clothing that fit because I'm tall but not big. When online shopping started to take off in the early 2000s it made finding clothing in my size dramatically easier and actually allowed me to choose a style beyond "whatever you have in my size". In the past 5 years however I've noticed my options for dress clothing dwindling dramatically and choice being limited to only mainly what's…

I am not even tall, just a normal healthy build. Even slightly overweight. But everything 'my size' fits like a tent. I get it, americans are fat. But the other side of the coin is just as bad, if I want fitted jeans, they think I have no calves, or huge boots, with no in between. Clothes are now made for the new 'normal', which appears to be 245lbs and 5'8, size 10-E.

I have the same problem.

For pants, try Bonobos "athletic fit".

For everything else, I got nothing.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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This. I see two things happening here: (1) American spending less on clothing and (2) Americans having less self-pride in their attire and presentation. I've spent a fair amount of time in Latin American countries, and a real sure-fire way to identify tourists is to look for people poorly-dressed or those who look like they just don't care about how they look. E.g., despite much of Mexico being quite hot, you will al…

I was in Mexico last week near Cancun and observed exactly that. I always saw the locals with jeans and a nice shirt. There's no way I could do that in 85F weather.

Oftentimes when you buy local cloth you find out that they are comfortable for the weather. Long light jeans looking pants can protect you from sun and it is not more hot in them then in shorts. I have jeans for winter and jeans for summer and while they look very similar, their warmth is much different.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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I think that one of the explanations for this is that clothing purchases are often driven by in-person retail shopping, usually at malls and department stores - both of which are becoming barren, lifeless wastes.

When I was a kid, we'd kill time hanging out at the mall. My parents did too. You know what would happen when we went to the mall? We'd wind up shopping, sometimes buying stuff, often clothes.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Bingo. In a capitalist society, the better explanation is almost always an economic one. It boggles my mind that so many people find it difficult to understand this simple concept. Not only wages are stagnant, but the population is under high increases in housing and health care costs, which are not accounted in official inflation. Add this to the reduced welfare state, and you have the perfect recipe for this situat…

Why did the "experiences" (travel, dining out) and "digital media" (software, media purchases, data plans) grow substantially, as the article mentions?

This is more a question of replacing some expenses than a real expansion in wages. For example, dining out is a necessity in the modern family because women are required to work in order to survive. This was not the case up to the 70s and even into the 80s. And online purchases are just replacing previous purchases like CDs, DVDs, movie theaters, cable, fixed phone line, etc., that have been eliminated by technology or made expensive for current budgets.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Even reducing the heat 1 step on a dryer helps immensely. Between that and washing your stuff inside out, you can double the life of most garmets.

Could you please elaborate on why washing your stuff inside out helps? I would think what's inside rubs against the other side of the inside, and wears out just the same.

Washing inside out doesn't help with front loading machines. Top loaders with agitators will damage the fabric though, and washing inside out will help there.
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