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How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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Aye - being a stay-at-home husband and father ought to be as equally socially acceptable as wife & mother.

No, I am sorry it is not. Anybody can stay at home. Not anyone can start up a company, or work at a senior level, or even work at a technical level. There are plenty of people who could never achieve that level of competence, they can stay at home.

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Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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Aye - being a stay-at-home husband and father ought to be as equally socially acceptable as wife & mother.

No, I am sorry it is not. Anybody can stay at home. Not anyone can start up a company, or work at a senior level, or even work at a technical level. There are plenty of people who could never achieve that level of competence, they can stay at home.

I know a lot of terrible parents, and they aren't all dead-beats or alcoholics, they're just assholes who treat their families like shit. If one of the parental figures is an emotionally abusive person, then it'd probably be a net benefit to the family if that person were a workaholic who doesn't spend much time with the kids. Sure, they probably shouldn't have had a family in the first place, but it doesn't always work out that way. Not just anyone can stay at home and raise the family.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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Problems with the article: > Throughout history, it has invariably been easier to be male than female. Yes, this is an overgeneralisation and yes, there are exceptions, but by any important measure, women have had it rougher than men. This one is a PC-friendly thing to say, the opposite point of view is not. If you haven't read it, I must urge you to check out the excellent "Is There Anything Good About Men?" essay b…

> it'd be a shame if a woman was peer-pressured to do a job she hates because "just getting married and being a housewife" is stigmatized these days. The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. And if you don't have children and your spouse is out working you might as well go to work yourself, rather than t…

The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places.

Which places?

The fact is, plenty of people survive and overfeed themselves in spite of working less than 27 weeks/year (80% of the poor fall into this category). If a person can't feed their family working full time, they need to move out of Manhattan.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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> it'd be a shame if a woman was peer-pressured to do a job she hates because "just getting married and being a housewife" is stigmatized these days. The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. And if you don't have children and your spouse is out working you might as well go to work yourself, rather than t…

The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. Which places? The fact is, plenty of people survive and overfeed themselves in spite of working less than 27 weeks/year (80% of the poor fall into this category). If a person can't feed their family working full time, they need to move out of Manhattan.

An alternate choice could be be to have both people work and then stay on in place that you want to?

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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> it'd be a shame if a woman was peer-pressured to do a job she hates because "just getting married and being a housewife" is stigmatized these days. The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. And if you don't have children and your spouse is out working you might as well go to work yourself, rather than t…

The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. Which places? The fact is, plenty of people survive and overfeed themselves in spite of working less than 27 weeks/year (80% of the poor fall into this category). If a person can't feed their family working full time, they need to move out of Manhattan.

Because everybody lives in Manhattan? The world is a lot larger than just the US, and even in the US if you've moved out of Manhattan (say to one of those suburbs) and you have a family of four to feed you'll be surprised how much month there is left at the end of your money as a single earner.

Overfeeding is more related to what you eat than the money you spend on it, in fact it is easier to overfeed on cheap food than it is on better grade food.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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> it'd be a shame if a woman was peer-pressured to do a job she hates because "just getting married and being a housewife" is stigmatized these days. The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. And if you don't have children and your spouse is out working you might as well go to work yourself, rather than t…

Funny. An assistant at my Dad's work figured she was paying almost her salary in babysitting costs and other expenses for things she could do herself if she had time. So she quit. My dad calls it the pay-your-neighbor-so-he-can-pay-his-neighbor phenomenon. Uncle Sam makes the most money in that relationship. He makes nothing when you babysit your own kid; he makes plenty when you hire someone to do the same thing(and…

That's true until your children hit school age, at which point child care becomes radically less expensive.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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Well I guess that the comparison is meaningless with someone who lives in a 2nd tier Chinese city...

It's got me thinking on changing professions.

Sorry but you are comparing prostitute to teaching? Even if you get paid higher with the former, will you declare your work publicly? No! Why? You have the answer.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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> it'd be a shame if a woman was peer-pressured to do a job she hates because "just getting married and being a housewife" is stigmatized these days. The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. And if you don't have children and your spouse is out working you might as well go to work yourself, rather than t…

The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. Which places? The fact is, plenty of people survive and overfeed themselves in spite of working less than 27 weeks/year (80% of the poor fall into this category). If a person can't feed their family working full time, they need to move out of Manhattan.

Yup. Food has never in history been cheaper as a proportion of total income. Especially if one person stays home to cook all meals, you can feed a family of four with amazing food for $200 a month.

Yes, you need to move out of Manhattan, and give up non-essentials, but a single person on full-time minimum wage can easily feed and house a family of four. Now if that person actually makes an _average_ wage, they can also afford a car, vacations, and college for the kids (they will get good financial aid at that income level).

It's not the finances, it's the societal expectation.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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is a soul crushing business for 99/100 prostitutes How is that conclusion much better than the one you're attacking?

Fair enough. Me vs. Professor of Economics Steven Levitt: Levitt: 1 hand-picked prostitue that was a guest lecturer in his college class. Me: - PROSTITUTION IS THE MOST DANGEROUS JOB IN AMERICA. The murder rate is 1 in 490. Compare that to the fishing industry, where the death rate is 1 in 775. - Eighty-two percent of prostitutes reported having been physically assaulted since entering prostitution. - Women trafficke…

I am lucky to live in a country where prostituion is legal. This is beneficial for all sides. Customers can contact the police if they are tricked, and - more importantly - sex workers can call the police without fear if they are in a dangerous situation.

And most important: Official brothels are a VERY safe place to work.

>Statistics show that at least 2/3 of prostitutes began working in prostitution before the age of 16

Total nonsense. No legal brothel risks their (valuable!) license and reputation by allowing under age sex workers to work for them.

In short: Help women and legalize it.

Re: How a call girl can earn far more by actually working far less

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The pressure does not come from being stigmatized but from the fact that a single person income is not enough to feed a family of four in plenty of places. Is this true? Surely the cost of living has decreased over the last 100 years, so it must be easier for a single breadwinner to feed a family than it was back then.

Not where I live and this is a pretty rich country. Between your rent/mortgage, your energy bill, public transportation costs, taxes, mandatory health insurance and food a single person income is not enough to make ends meet. And that's when you don't own a car. Typically a single person income is about 1700 euros net take home, and your costs will be slightly above that (for the above mentioned family of four). The…

What you listed adds up to about 1400 on average. If you can't pay the principal, mortgage seems like unnecessary debt. Also, I'm not familiar with supermarket prices in Europe, but if the person staying home does cook, 350 euro ($450) seems too expensive for the basic ingredients.
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