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Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Oh, I'm feeling just opposite on your phrase "clothes last for ages" if you speaking about its quality. 10 yr old jeans looks ugly but their endurance is much better than modern ones has. And if you wash your clothes so often, it should last few months before became completely garbage.

I think drying is harder on textiles than washing. I hang dry my clothes and am baffled by how long they last vs. when I used to use a dryer. This could be personal experience.

Same experience. Also fabric softeners will extend clothes life IME.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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I wish Germany was like that. I work as a IT consultant in a financial institution and we all have to wear suits here, even though most of the people have never seen a client in their life - they just sit behind their desks and do their daily work on a PC. So they do so - in a suit. I really don't know why Germans do this to themselves.

That's how it was when I started in the U.S. But the last 25 years have seen a huge shift in workplace dress codes in the US. Organizations that resisted discovered that it had an effect on retention -- in part because there are pocketbook implications, and perhaps in part because it is just more convenient to be able to use the same wardrobe for everything.

I just wanted to underline the phrase "effect on retention".

In North America, lots of talent (i.e. new grads) would straight up not pick companies with dress codes. Pay also tended to be not different, and "prestige" of working for X is not really a thing.

So everything changed. Also, even in the dressed up companies, they had "dress down days". People liked them. So they had more.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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you're lucky it fits you. the only sizes i see at thrift stores are L-XXL

Large is pretty standard size for tall men. Pretty much required over 5'11.

Depends where you are? I'm in the UK and 189cm tall and I always wear medium.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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With the exception of shoes and jackets I buy all my clothes at Goodwill. It's awesome! Every couple of months I spend around $20 dollars and I always have nice new tee shirts, button ups, pants etc. You wont believe how many nice clothes people simply give away. Plus it makes me feel great knowing I'm contributing to reuse and giving money to a company that helps employee less fortunate people.

I wish I could build a wardrobe using thrift stores, but I live in a smaller town and thrift stores rarely have anything worth wearing.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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One thing the article missed but for me personally is an important point: the rise of minimalism I'm not the type of minimalism you write about, but clothes last for ages now & I just don't want lots of stuff. Especially here in Japan we do laundry every day, so I just don't need very many items. Just some comfortable layers, enough to have a little variety, I'm all set. (I'm leaving in the morning for 2 weeks in Flo…

Oh, I'm feeling just opposite on your phrase "clothes last for ages" if you speaking about its quality. 10 yr old jeans looks ugly but their endurance is much better than modern ones has. And if you wash your clothes so often, it should last few months before became completely garbage.

That'd be survivor bias. My average jeans a decade or two ago would start tearing off at the buttonhole or taint seam after a year or so.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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>Apparel is being displaced by travel, eating out and activities—what’s routinely lumped together as “experiences”—which have grown to 18 percent of purchases. [..] That now tops all clothing and footwear expenditures. I have a completely blunt theory on that. People learn that pictures of them smiling in their bathing suit in the Maldives or with that exotic plate of food attract more 'likes' than the pictures of th…

Rene Girard comes to mind

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Flip side I’ve been trying to buy new clothes but everything out there seems to be poorly cut or nothing but slim/althletic fit. If I go big and tall they’re also disproportionate. These games shirts I have from a couple years ago are perfect. The ones they sell now are horrible.

Go custom. Depending on your preferences you can go made to measure online, or old school fly-to-southeast-asia and get them tailored in person. Either will be approximately as expensive as reasonable off the rack wardrobe and will fit 100% accurately.

If you fly, be sure to take enough time in one location so that they can do a second and third measure. Also get enough suits at once to offset the cost of the flight.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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This is a pretty sloppy article, with a bunch of conventional-wisdom-as-evidence and no critical analysis of potential cause and effect. H&M as a stand-in for "cheap clothes", ignoring any number of other cheap clothing retailers that have come and gone for decades. Using only three datapoints for Levis 501 prices going back only to 2009 when claiming trends that go back 30 years, and when Levis 501s have been available under that name for 130 years and have been a common fashion for almost 70 years.

I do think some of the trends they call out are contributing for sure, but I don't think this piece really explains anything. They never really discuss whether people actually have fewer clothes or whether it's just that the clothes are cheaper. There's no real analysis of how fast fashion is changing.

And the whole idea that we _should_ be buying more clothes because "the economy is growing and wages are rising" is delusion. Wages have only just started to show signs of rising after decades of near-stasis, and the Fed reacted with big interest rate hikes that sent the stock market plummeting. A "growing economy" doesn't help an individual buy more clothes. Only rising wages can do that, or cheaper clothes prices. In the absence of wage growth, it's no wonder we've had a long-term decline in clothes spending. And because they overlooked this, the article also fails to consider that the fact that people feel they can't afford to spend as much on clothes is more likely a driving factor in the increasing casualization of work and society than the increasing casualization is a reason why we spend less on clothes.

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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Article neglects to mention that healthcare spending per person doubled between 2003 and 2010 (before decelerating after the ACA). Soon all of our money will go to healthcare and housing.

The deceleration in healthcare costs preceded the ACA, and can mostly be attributed to a slowdown in economic growth (1,2,3).

1 . https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25092842 2. https://economics21.org/html/sorry-nyt-medicare-cost-problem... 3. https://economics21.org/html/obamacare-not-making-healthcare...

Re: Americans are spending less on clothing

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IMHO there are three clear causes for this trend: 1) US business fashion is increasingly casual. Ties, skirts, suits, coordinated outfits, scarves, leather soled shoes -- all are passe, even in button down East Coast Fortune 100 companies (other than for aspiring managers or those in banking/finance). 2) Color is passe. Shades of black and grey dominate wardrobes, especially in large cities. Thus fewer accessories ar…

All of which illustrates how stupid management types have been all these years regarding dress codes, remote work, everything. The MBA is an echo chamber degree that has held America back.
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