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Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

#102

"Hey why use this? It's the same as Slack?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as IRC?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as a mailing list?" These are the sorts of things people say to lazily kill any new idea. "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as Alta Vista." "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as grep." People say this stuff because it makes them feel smart. Folks, not al…

Remember that guy that wrote here on HN that Dropbox was useless because you could basically set that up yourself with an FTP server? :D

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

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post #79

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It's hard to overstate the value I've gotten out of Freenode IRC over the years. The #postgresql channel is chock-full of contributors and PG gurus willing to generously spend time explaining concepts and best practices. A real gem. Same thing with #clojure and #haskell . ##networking is great as well. Pretty amazing to drop into the same channel for 6-7 years in a row and see the same faces every time. One of the fi…

#clojure, #machinelearning and #math on Freenode have been fantastic resources. I always try and encourage people to use IRC over Slack (which I've found to be a bit of a timewaster).

What I personally don't like about IRC is that you basically have to be online all the time (or at least have some bouncer)...

Otherwise you can't scroll up and read what's going on, if there are people already talking about something.

Also this creates to long lists of idlying people, so you can't really have an overview of who's really online there.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

#105

"Hey why use this? It's the same as Slack?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as IRC?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as a mailing list?" These are the sorts of things people say to lazily kill any new idea. "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as Alta Vista." "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as grep." People say this stuff because it makes them feel smart. Folks, not al…

> to lazily kill any new idea.

efficiently kill a new idea. The point is the idea isn't very new, it's just another, competing, standard..

> It's the same as Alta Vista

But it isn't - read the page-rank paper. Google produces better results. It isn't at all comparable to grep.

> not all software that allows people to communicate via the Internet is the same

Neither is it all significantly different.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

#106

"Hey why use this? It's the same as Slack?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as IRC?" "Hey why use this, it's the same as a mailing list?" These are the sorts of things people say to lazily kill any new idea. "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as Alta Vista." "Hey why use this new fangled 'google.com'? It's the same as grep." People say this stuff because it makes them feel smart. Folks, not al…

Don't forget the most famous one, "Why use this [Dropbox]? It's the same as FTP or email" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8863

It's not the same as FTP, because FTP is a technology, not a hosted service. Slap an interface, apps, and integration on top of FTP and it's similar.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

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I wish self important mean nerds, who were abused in school, IRCed less. #python and #golang have become horrible, at least last I checked.

This does happen a bunch. I was always dreading asking question in #nginx back in the day, and #bash could be pretty rough too, but you learn to grow a thick skin.

Well #golang is a good test for thick skin. I thought mine was thick, but no.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

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post #81

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This seems like a strawman. No one is arguing that the 20th iteration of a major auto model is providing a new way of doing things.

I am admittedly stretching the argument thin, but I still hope you see my point.

I'm not really sure what your point was. But you seem to think that doing something better is not solving a problem. Sure it is, just a slightly doesn't problem. Your car analogy... The original problem was a carriage needed house to be pulled, the solution was the combustible engine. The next problem was the engine want fast enough. Then the engine used too much gas. Then the problem was it cost too much. Perhaps working on the 20th iteration of the engine isn't as hard as inventing the engine in the first place, but there are still problems to be solved, and value to be added. Sure, the winner isn't always better, sometimes they just have better marketers. But most of your original examples the succeeder did something better. Yahoo want a search engine and it was noisy. Google was simple and it find stuff. MySpace had a spam problem. Sometimes the new thing is just easier to use, or looks nicer, or it does one small thing the other doesn't.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

#109

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It's hard to overstate the value I've gotten out of Freenode IRC over the years. The #postgresql channel is chock-full of contributors and PG gurus willing to generously spend time explaining concepts and best practices. A real gem. Same thing with #clojure and #haskell . ##networking is great as well. Pretty amazing to drop into the same channel for 6-7 years in a row and see the same faces every time. One of the fi…

I wish self important mean nerds, who were abused in school, IRCed less. #python and #golang have become horrible, at least last I checked.

Isn't this wish rather selfish as well? Rather than spending time, becoming a contributor yourself and effectively showing them a better way, you want them to disappear.

Re: Show HN: Ask a Dev

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post #39

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It's hard to overstate the value I've gotten out of Freenode IRC over the years. The #postgresql channel is chock-full of contributors and PG gurus willing to generously spend time explaining concepts and best practices. A real gem. Same thing with #clojure and #haskell . ##networking is great as well. Pretty amazing to drop into the same channel for 6-7 years in a row and see the same faces every time. One of the fi…

I still am not sure the best way to "IRC," I remember back in the day having it running in a program on Windows but lordy knows what the "preferred" method is now. I've noticed that StackOverflow now has a chat feature which is very IRC-ish and relatively helpful, if a bit empty at times.

The first step up people generally make from the webchat is something simple like hexchat, although I don't know what the state of windows binaries is these days. Used to be that you could only get precompiled windows binaries by paying.
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