Hello HP, Let's work out the bugs with the 2D printers before we move on to 3D. Thx.
3D Color Print
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Re: 3D Color Print
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny thing is that said HP still exist. What people are complaining about is the bottom of the barrel consumer products hawked out of very storefront the world over. I have seen similar sentiments aimed towards Acer, yet i have seen Acer business market laptops survive for ages. Basically companies like HP and Acer have multiple product ranges with different QA protocols and different margins. Yet people keep buying…
There are companies that refuse to dilute their brand or sully their image: - BMW, Lexus - Tiffany's - Rolex Tech companies just think that they are immune to the market forces that keep other high end brands from skimming off the lower rungs (or at least doing it with their marquee brand). The examples are just the first ones from different markets that came to mind.
> BMW
Oh, BMW certainly has had its fair share of lemons and... unconventional cars, as well as involvement in shady dealings.
The difference to other carmakers (e.g. VW!) is that their overall quality both in build and in service is extremely high and that, while BMW was involved in shady stuff, they didn't get remotely as low as VW did with gassing apes with diesel fumes...
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have the same intuition, but was recently surprised about their laptops: Even though (or maybe because) they look like from last century they have pretty decent hardware connectivity (USB, video, ethernet etc.) and good linux support as well. It's boring but functional, like you'd expect from a business-oriented machine.
I got a spectre and was extremely disappointed. This is after getting the signature edition Windows so it would be bloatfree. The touchpad is really bad.
> The touchpad is really bad.
To be fair: I cannot stand any kind of Windows touchpad. They all pale in comparison with Apple stuff.
It's not only the size (which makes many multitouch gestures possible) or the firmware quality (I have hit an unintended combo maybe four times on a Mac in two years, while it was a daily occurrence in the Windows world), but also the "feel". Apple trackpads use a glass surface, nearly at level with the case, while Windows laptops seem to only offer plastic at 1-2mm inset. In addition I manage to get every Windows laptop really really dirty and the touchpads stained, I have yet to achieve this goal with any part of a MacBook...
Re: 3D Color Print
#114Question totally off topic, related to writing rather than 3D printing! They call it not just the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printer", but the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printing Solution" When I myself would be the target audience, "3D printer" sells better than "3D printing solution" I think. Do you know what the true target audience they are writing for is, and if it really genuinely is so that there are such au…
>Do you know what the true target audience they are writing for is, and if it really genuinely is so that there are such audiences where adding words like "Solution" helps the sell? Can you please elaborate on that and give intuition why? They're selling to product design studios. HP aren't selling a 3D printer, they're selling a solution for making 3D prints. The word "solution" matters, because 3D printers have a r…
I’m not even typing this in on a smartphone. I’m typing on a mobile computing and telephony solution.
Like its alternate meaning, the word “solution” tends to water-down and muddy what is actually being sold.
Re: 3D Color Print
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Full color. But as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it's nothing new. Printer's with this functionality have been around for 15+ years. HP is like Apple, take an existing technology, sprinkle liberally with hip marketing, and boom! -- act like you invented it.
Their printing process is pretty new. Sure printers that can print in color have existed for a while now, but they weren't able to produce strong parts like this printer does. Other printers that produced similar strong parts also couldn't print as fast as this printer.
I wonder if the target audience of this printer even care about material properties like strength. I mean, what functional parts do you know of, in your car, bike, washing machine, are in full colour?
I feel like the people who want full colour will be making pre-production sample prints for marketing purposes.
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#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
I got a spectre and was extremely disappointed. This is after getting the signature edition Windows so it would be bloatfree. The touchpad is really bad.
> The touchpad is really bad. To be fair: I cannot stand any kind of Windows touchpad. They all pale in comparison with Apple stuff. It's not only the size (which makes many multitouch gestures possible) or the firmware quality (I have hit an unintended combo maybe four times on a Mac in two years, while it was a daily occurrence in the Windows world), but also the "feel". Apple trackpads use a glass surface, nearly…
Huge part of why I refuse to switch to a non-macbook laptop, despite not being at all happy with the direction they've taken the pro in with the latest iteration.
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#117Can you imagine how much they would charge for the "ink" on these things?
If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.
The media will definitely be expensive and proprietary. That's part of how they control for the "jenkyness" associated with 3d printers in general.
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#118It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.
It's a bit depressing too, considering what the HP brand used to be. They used to be synonymous with the some of the most cutting-edge, best engineered test equipment and other electronics gear you could buy. Gear from that era like the legendary HP3458 multimeter still commands very high prices on the used market ($5000 or more if calibrated). Really that part of HP still exists at that level of quality, but they sp…
Reminds me of Apollo. I was working at HP when they bought Apollo, a workstation vendor. Sun was #1, HP was #2, and Apollo was #3. After HP bought Apollo, Sun was #1 and HP was #2. That's how big a lead Sun had.
5 years later I was in the grocery store and by the checkout register there was a stack of boxes on sale: Apollo Inkjet Printers. So that's what they did with that brand name.
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#119Interesting to see HP jumping in here. They certainly have the positioning/deposit/chemistry expertise to make this work. I would love to be able to print things on one at the local copy/printing center, but I'm wondering if they have moved enough down into the price point to displace what the current SLA shops offer. And while I've posted things to Thingaverse there is an interesting opportunity for a curated source…
They are already in the 3D printer market, see https://youtu.be/F2fIOBtdojY from 2016. Research and development go way back of course.
The new thing is the color.
Disclaimer: I worked at HP in the past.
Re: 3D Color Print
#120It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.
As if it that wasn't enough, HP also actively promotes apartheid and colonialism [0].