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Re: 3D Color Print

#71

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

>> see hp and immediately think of bad business practices

I see terrible, bloated drivers

Re: 3D Color Print

#72

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

It's a bit depressing too, considering what the HP brand used to be. They used to be synonymous with the some of the most cutting-edge, best engineered test equipment and other electronics gear you could buy. Gear from that era like the legendary HP3458 multimeter still commands very high prices on the used market ($5000 or more if calibrated).

Really that part of HP still exists at that level of quality, but they spun it off as Agilent and later Keysight. Hard to believe they squandered the original brand so completely, though.

Re: 3D Color Print

#73

Question totally off topic, related to writing rather than 3D printing! They call it not just the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printer", but the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printing Solution" When I myself would be the target audience, "3D printer" sells better than "3D printing solution" I think. Do you know what the true target audience they are writing for is, and if it really genuinely is so that there are such au…

There's at least one company in every sector that brands its products as "solutions," instead of products.

Copy machines, insurance, databases, plastic food containers, consulting, shipping, etc...

Everything is a "solution" these days. Often to problems that don't exist.

Re: 3D Color Print

#74

Following some links around i get the impression that this is using laser sintering.

It's a powder bed, like laser sintering, but the melt energy comes from IR light sources. The parts of the bed that were printed on melt under the lights, the other parts stay powdery and can be recycled.

Re: 3D Color Print

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post #30

Question totally off topic, related to writing rather than 3D printing! They call it not just the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printer", but the "HP Jet Fusion 580 Color 3D Printing Solution" When I myself would be the target audience, "3D printer" sells better than "3D printing solution" I think. Do you know what the true target audience they are writing for is, and if it really genuinely is so that there are such au…

For a company about to spend ~$250,000 on the ability to fabricate 3d models in house "3D Printing Solution" does message better. A 3D printer is just an expensive tool that requires expensive software and expensive people to make it work. A 3D Printing Solution implies a complete suite from installation to software to support that doesn't require investing in specialized skills.

It makes sense that someone who uses "message" as a verb would think "solution" is a good way to brand a printer, 3D or otherwise.

/I kid! I kid!

Re: 3D Color Print

#76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bought a LaserJet CP1525nw for ~$250. The "starter" cartridges lasted me just over 4 years. Refills for it cost $340. I bought a brand new LaserJet M452dn for $212.

What you just said doesn't refute notatoad's point. Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges. The fact that the starter cartridges lasted you 4 years is more of a testament to how little you print. A refill probably would have lasted you 8+ years.

> Those $340 refills will contain more than double the toner than the starter cartridges.

The M452dn came with "introductory cartridges" all rated at ~1200 pages. For the CP1525nw, the black 128A is rated at ~2000 pages and the colors are ~1300 pages.

The new printer was ~60% of the cost of a set of replacement cartridges and the starter cartridges are 60-92% capacity of the A cartridge replacements for the CP1525nw.

So yes it cost me less to replace the printer than it would have to replace all of the cartridges.

In reality it cost me a bit more. The CP1525nw actually started jamming on me constantly when the black got to about 1% and the colors at around 5%. The diagnostic codes indicated it was a problem with the ink so I stupidly bought a replacement black which cleared one error code but not the jam. I got a quote for a diagnostic and it was more than the cost of a new printer.

Re: 3D Color Print

#77

We use HP jet fusion printers to manufacture end use parts (see https://www.jabil.com/insights/blog-main/3d-printing-reality... ). They are impressive machines, and I'm excited to see the full color ones in action. Also, the MJF API is pretty well designed.

ballpark cost?

Re: 3D Color Print

#78
post #61

How much is the ink?

I order material cartridges for my lab's Stratasys Connex 500. There are a lot of different materials at a lot of different pricepoints... but generally $125 - $250/kg of material. I would expect HP to price in that range.

Re: 3D Color Print

#79
post #7

Maybe my understanding of "Reinvent the wheel" is wrong, but I always took it as "spend time inventing something that already exists", basically wasting your time. Didn't think it was a positive term you want to put on your landing page.

See for example Michelin "reinventing" the wheel [1]. Taking old stuff and recreating them with new kind of internal structure which is made possible by 3d printing. [1] https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/07/michelin-vision-biodegra...

Just for the record/FYI, they already re-invented it as the "tweel" a few years ago:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tweel

http://www.michelintweel.com/

and it is actually available (and works just fine in some specific application).

Re: 3D Color Print

#80
post #72

It's funny how I and other people see hp and immediately think of bad business practices that lead to a bad experience with the brand. Relates to the concept that you optimize for what you measure. Not factoring in that screwing over customers will have some impact down the line is also like some sort of debt (as in tech debt). It's like long term brand debt.

It's a bit depressing too, considering what the HP brand used to be. They used to be synonymous with the some of the most cutting-edge, best engineered test equipment and other electronics gear you could buy. Gear from that era like the legendary HP3458 multimeter still commands very high prices on the used market ($5000 or more if calibrated). Really that part of HP still exists at that level of quality, but they sp…

I remember attending a talk at my physics student union about 15 years ago, by an alumni who worked at HP. IIRC, he was applying his former astronomy knowledge of dust-particles to make physics simulations for figuring out how toner particles actually behave. It was a lot more interesting than you might think.

It is actually amazing that printers (inkjet, laserjet or the various 3D ones) work as well as they do; there is a ton of really advanced technology under the hood there working at micro- if not nano-scales.

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