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London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by snrplfth »

omginternets wrote: post #37
gadders wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite often you can wait for it to solidify before disposing of it.

I have a tiny kitchen with only room for a few pots and pans, which is pretty much the norm in London. That's not a terribly viable solution, I'm afraid. This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood.

You have a kitchen so tiny it cannot find room for a single old tomato sauce jar? My condolences.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by snrplfth »

jwilk wrote: post #8

> Flushers report finds of motorbikes, prams, coins, phones and jewellery – and once a live hand grenade. OK, I understand coins, phones, jewellery and even hand grenades. But how do you flush a motorbike or a pram? :-O

When you're cooking with motorbikes, it tends to accumulate at the bottom of the fryer or pan as a hot liquid which can be put down the drain, but re-solidifies once it hits the cold water in the sewer.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by mikestew »

omginternets wrote: post #37
gadders wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite often you can wait for it to solidify before disposing of it.

I have a tiny kitchen with only room for a few pots and pans, which is pretty much the norm in London. That's not a terribly viable solution, I'm afraid. This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood.

This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood.

Neighborhood? It's not even in the same city. Your toilet was specifically designed to consume poop. The same cannot be said for cooking fats/oils and the sewer system.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by folknor »

michaelt wrote: post #42
folknor wrote: post #10

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TLDR: It's not as simple as "apply bleach - things die." Yeast and bacteria are not the same thing. Practically, bleach doesn't kill yeast - if you try to kill fungus in your shower or on a wall with bleach, what that does is make it white. Which to us is a strong indication that it's dead, but it probably isn't. To clean fungus from your shower, for example, you need to mix vinegar and fresh bleach with cold water (…

you need to mix vinegar and fresh bleach with cold water (of which the fumes can actually kill you as well) All the results I can find on Google for "bleach vinegar" say "Do not do this, chlorine gas is poison" - where can I learn more about how to do it properly, and why it works?

I believe it was Charlie Talley on this podcast: http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/3/9/0/390da96899933961/bbr03-29-07...

Essentially, you use the vinegar to adjust the pH of the water to the correct level - 8.0 - to get the right effect from the bleach (chlorine). Again, I have to stress what I said in my first post, that this _can be deadly for you_ if you don't use it correctly.

http://podbay.fm/show/75092679/e/1175200200 might be a better link, I'm not sure. Interview starts around 9:30.

Charlie is the inventor of Star San, a sanitizing solution used in breweries and by homebrewers. Which should make you skeptical, but don't be. He's essentially an expert who made a fantastic product, and only wants to help. In the podcast he outlines how to use normal household products as replacements for his products.

I haven't listened to it since 2012 or so, so if I am mistaken about the source, please let me know and I'll find the correct source of the information in my original post.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by kbouck »

jandrese wrote: post #43
gadders wrote: post #36

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Quite often you can wait for it to solidify before disposing of it.

The fats I cook with don't solidify at room temperature though.

Ziploc bags work for used liquid fats (after they've cooled sufficiently)

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by omginternets »

mikestew wrote: post #53
omginternets wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a tiny kitchen with only room for a few pots and pans, which is pretty much the norm in London. That's not a terribly viable solution, I'm afraid. This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood.

This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood. Neighborhood? It's not even in the same city. Your toilet was specifically designed to consume poop. The same cannot be said for cooking fats/oils and the sewer system.

>The same cannot be said for cooking fats/oils and the sewer system.

In most places, that can be said. In places where it can't, you need a more comprehensive solution than "don't do that".

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

gambiting wrote: post #32
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #31

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Which is something the manufacturers continue to get away with, for absolutely no good reason. Consumers' trust in marketing is mindblowing.

>>Consumers' trust in marketing is mindblowing. On the other hand, I don't feel like consumer should have to care about this at all. If it says flushable, it should be flushable. I'd trust relevant agencies to enforce this, just like they already enforce "free range", "organic" and "juice" - at least here in UK those terms have a legal meaning behind them and consumers can safely know they get what they pay for. If a…

I think one should expect at least some level of critical thought.

Wet wipes are stored wet, for weeks, months or years. They do not decompose, in fact they stand up very well to liquids without losing structural integrity.

Applying just a bit of critical thought based on those observations, makes it abundantly clear that wet wipes will not dissolve in the wet environment of a sewer, and will in fact very easily get caught and cause a blockage.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by gambiting »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #57
gambiting wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Consumers' trust in marketing is mindblowing. On the other hand, I don't feel like consumer should have to care about this at all. If it says flushable, it should be flushable. I'd trust relevant agencies to enforce this, just like they already enforce "free range", "organic" and "juice" - at least here in UK those terms have a legal meaning behind them and consumers can safely know they get what they pay for. If a…

I think one should expect at least some level of critical thought. Wet wipes are stored wet, for weeks, months or years. They do not decompose, in fact they stand up very well to liquids without losing structural integrity. Applying just a bit of critical thought based on those observations, makes it abundantly clear that wet wipes will not dissolve in the wet environment of a sewer, and will in fact very easily get…

I've literally just looked at the packet I have at home - it says "flushable and biodegradable". If these are not, in fact, true, then the manufacturer is pushing some impressive bs on people.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

gambiting wrote: post #58
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think one should expect at least some level of critical thought. Wet wipes are stored wet, for weeks, months or years. They do not decompose, in fact they stand up very well to liquids without losing structural integrity. Applying just a bit of critical thought based on those observations, makes it abundantly clear that wet wipes will not dissolve in the wet environment of a sewer, and will in fact very easily get…

I've literally just looked at the packet I have at home - it says "flushable and biodegradable". If these are not, in fact, true, then the manufacturer is pushing some impressive bs on people.

I believe they are, and I can't believe they're getting away with it.

Re: London’s fatberg on show: ‘We thought of pickling it’

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Post by gadders »

philjohn wrote: post #41
omginternets wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a tiny kitchen with only room for a few pots and pans, which is pretty much the norm in London. That's not a terribly viable solution, I'm afraid. This isn't quite as bad as saying "don't poop in the toilet; wait for it to dry out before putting it in the trash", but it's in the same neighborhood.

You pour it back into the container it came in when it's cool, and then you throw it out, or take it to your local household recycling centre where they can dispose of it for you.

Or make them into "Fat Cakes" to feed birds my adding seeds: https://www.saga.co.uk/magazine/home-garden/gardening/wildli...
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