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Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by bradfa » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:09 PM UTC

RobinL wrote: post #18

grenoire wrote: post #2

Good Lord, these things are humongous. Not your average hobbyist printer for sure.

In the long run I hope that the model for this kind of thing will be 'printing as a service', much like how historically you went to a shop to get photos developed. It'd be amazing to be able to upload a design and pick it up/get it delivered next day, for the 'commodity cost' of the printing.

Shapeways already has HP Jet Fusion printers (albeit not with the color printing abilities) that they'll print parts for you on-demand with for quite reasonable prices. It's not "next day" delivery, but it's not far off from how mail-order film photo developing/printing works.

https://www.shapeways.com/materials/hp-jet-fusion

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by slobotron » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

rfraile wrote: post #8

Apart - Why they use the url with the "www8." name instead of "www."?

IIRC, different internal groups get control of different www{n} subdomains.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by arnarbi » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #7

Maybe my understanding of "Reinvent the wheel" is wrong, but I always took it as "spend time inventing something that already exists", basically wasting your time. Didn't think it was a positive term you want to put on your landing page.

It's a tounge-in-cheek line here.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by onesun » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:20 PM UTC

bob_theslob646 wrote: post #26

How does this printer differ from other 3D printers on the market?

Full color. But as mentioned elsewhere in this thread, it's nothing new. Printer's with this functionality have been around for 15+ years. HP is like Apple, take an existing technology, sprinkle liberally with hip marketing, and boom! -- act like you invented it.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by cptskippy » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:32 PM UTC

darkstar999 wrote: post #6

Can you imagine how much they would charge for the "ink" on these things?

If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by erric » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:37 PM UTC

Can we please not link the commercials?

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by asperous » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:38 PM UTC

beamatronic wrote: post #20

If you can put one of these very near (in) Amazons warehouses / delivery network you may not strictly need it in house.

So basically like shapeways

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by cptskippy » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:39 PM UTC

timdorr wrote: post #15

mihular wrote: post #5

Starting at $130,000 no less. I'll stick with my prusa MK2 for a little bit longer.

They also have ~1500x the build volume (15,643,840 cm3 vs 10500 cm3), so 144x the cost is possibly warranted. They are two totally different classes of machine.

Uh no, HP's build volume is presented in MM, Prusa uses CM. So...

580's build volume: 190 x 332 x 248mm.

Prusa I3 MkIIs build volume: 250 x 210 x 200 mm.

15,643,840 cm3 vs 10,500,000 cm3

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by notatoad » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:41 PM UTC

cptskippy wrote: post #35

darkstar999 wrote: post #6

Can you imagine how much they would charge for the "ink" on these things?

If it's anything like the rest of their printer line, it will be cheaper to just buy a new one than it will to refill the ink.

That has never been true, even for the cheapest consumer printers. The "starter" cartridges that printers come with only contain about 10% of the ink of a full cartridge.

Re: 3D Color Print

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Post by rangersanger » Mon, Feb 05, 2018, 5:43 PM UTC

bpicolo wrote: post #10

darkstar999 wrote: post #6

Can you imagine how much they would charge for the "ink" on these things?

> HP Jet Fusion 3D 4210 Printing Solution average printing cost-per-part is 65% lower versus the average cost of comparable FDM and SLS printer solutions from $100,000 USD to $300,000 USD on market as of April, 2016 Depends on how much you believe that statement I suppose?

If you look at the fine print they compared the "default mode" of the other printers with their "fast mode."

I've evaluated a few 3d printers and from what I recall the default mode is usually fairly high quality (read uses more material.)

We were about ready to pull the trigger on a competitors printer (~100k machine) but at the last minute figured out that the media would basically cost us the salary for a full time employee. Instead we're running a cheapo FDM machine for parts where quality isn't critical and outsourcing the highend stuff to shapeways (who are mentioned below.) Overall I've been really happy with this strategy.