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Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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This has a Silicon Valley episode written all over it.

its a community.. if you are non-SV and join you can help steer the direction, become a prominent member :)

the problem, i think, is very real.. many people in this thread seem not to be affected, and that is good. but people are getting addicted in droves.. and they need the help!

sure, it is fighting bad tech with more tech - but that will be _good_ tech, hopefully.. besides that more regulation is needed - as others have rightfully stated. but this is not an either/or choice.. both are needed and tech is not going to be ditched any time soon.. on the contrary i would think :)

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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I wonder how much the push back against McDonald's is class based. It's not healthy, but the same can be said for a lot of the food we eat. A lot of fast casual burgers, which seem to hold a higher position in the public perception, have more calories. Of course, overall health is more complicated than just calories, but it's worth pointing out since that's one of the main complaints against McDonald's (including in…

This is very true. In India McD has a more prestige positioning (not extremely but it's a luxury for the lower class, a treat for most middle class families, and a non-shameful food destination for the upper-middle class, and no one shits on McD food as being particularly bad for you. It's put up there with the food you will get from other similar joints (KFC, Dominos, Papa Johns etc.)—not a bastion of good eating bu…

In India you will have to find people who want to eat meat, to what I've heard.

I think that's more related than "luxury food"

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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It's interesting how all of these early employees can now speak out about the ills of their former employers after they have cashed out all of their RSUs and gotten rich...

interesting indeed.. but any persons can repent and change their ways, so let's see where this is going :)

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Please don't post reflexively dismissive comments to HN, especially when talking about other people's work, and extra-especially when it's the first comment to a thread. You might have a good point, but the genre itself drowns it out in a medium-is-the-message way. Discussions are sensitive to initial conditions and we're hoping that HN can be better than that. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I read the article before posting, it's not reflexive.

I believe you, but the comment itself contains one commonplace criticism ("data practices"—an important issue, but not so relevant in this context and very widely discussed elsewhere) followed by two cheap insinuations. That's not good enough. That combo of shallow and inflammatory is exactly what takes threads into hot mediocrity.

That's a bit harsh and I definitely don't mean to pick on you. It's a systemic problem. I'm hoping we can gradually persuade the community to be more conscious of it.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Fear mongering lobbying group for traditional media.

that is a tiny bit easy.. read their problem statement and tell me if you don't see these things in your everyday life :)

if not, are you living off-grid? (which is also interesting, but a different topic altogether)

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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it's not real egg and the processed bread-resembling muffin isn't very nutritious either

Do you really think they'd be allowed to call it an Egg McMuffin if it didn't have real eggs? It would be a pretty clear-cut case of false advertising.

The food industry plays all sorts of games. Ever seen what's actually in "pork" sausages or "chicken" nuggets?

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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Can recommend Lichess [1], the puzzles are a lot of fun! I can also recommend Wordfeud (a Scrabble clone), and Duolingo (an interactive language-learning tool by professor Luis von Ahn (creator of reCAPTCHA)). But I can also recommend mindfulness, or listening to music which makes you relaxed such as classical or ambient music. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lichess [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duolingo

Self-plug: I built a 5 minute word game for this very reason (diffuse mind time) that fits right in with your list of options. www.esoterica.io

That's cool, just didn't know how to confirm at start.

Reminds me of a game by Microsoft. I really like Wordament. What I like about it, is that if you select the same language, you get the same puzzle. So you can play against a friend who's sitting in the same room! Who'd have thought I'd love a game by Microsoft (for Android!). Only annoying this is the ads; I wish I could buy a premium version.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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it's not real egg and the processed bread-resembling muffin isn't very nutritious either

Do you really think they'd be allowed to call it an Egg McMuffin if it didn't have real eggs? It would be a pretty clear-cut case of false advertising.

Do you read the ingredients of anything you eat/drink? This happens all the time. Read ingredients of "Apple Juice" or "Orange Juice" and it will often say upon inspection "Contains 12% juice" or something of the like.

Yeah... your Egg McMuffin probably has SOME egg in it, but that's about it.

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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"It will be aimed at educating students, parents and teachers about the dangers of technology, including the depression that can come from heavy use of social media." So, treating the symptoms rather than the disease, and at any rate nothing to do with these companies' pervasive and invasive data practices. Maybe they still have positions in their former employers, I don't know, but following the money will have to b…

> So, treating the symptoms rather than the disease If you want to convince people with the point you're trying to make you I suggest you address the why and come up with one or more alternative, viable solutions . IOW, in short you must be constructive and I gave two examples how . What I quoted from you reminds me of Schneier's essay Data Is a Toxic Asset [1]. I'm not as intelligent as Bruce Schneier so instead of…

simply by making certain business practices illegal.

"Shit's Easy Syndrome," from a great Steve Yegge post: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legali...

Unfortunately I'm more cynical than Mr. Schneier. His three reasons are true, but irrelevant, because the companies don't even have to care how valuable the data is right now. It's already free and clear, outside of maybe COPPA. It's the territory of privacy that they have stored for anything they can think of in the future, while right now it's fine to be used as an excuse to sell mundane ads based on it. I feel the regulation he desires is unlikely to happen because now the big data companies have more money than God, as well as much more focused interests than "a group of Facebook users," and can use that money to lobby. All the while us mooks are left to set up GoFundMes and hashtags 8 years before someone, somewhere gets standing in court. If they get past arbitration, that is.[1]

There is effectively no consequence to any use or misuse of data on the ownership side and I don't see that changing, not the least because data is the very lifeblood of the businesses that have been formed around it, it is the family jewels, and it will be protected from outside forces of all kinds. A data SarbOx isn't going to be more effective than the ineffective original because nobody's really going to tell them what they can do with their data. They have conquered frontiers of privacy, and we're already on the way to a new regime oriented around them. Can they be beat back? Who knows.

This is why setting up what sounds essentially like an informational campaign that tells you that all this is happening is a bit of the old horse and barn door, and I'm pessimistic that they would ever run anything that might threaten the financial prospects of these companies. Perhaps it could even be seen as a submarine campaign to ease the transition into a new concept of privacy, anchoring the other side of the debate (wittingly or unwittingly, it doesn't matter).

We can be smarter, sure, anything's possible, but it's not that simple. A lot of smarter people also work for these companies (and in government) and are fine with the way things are.

Now I feel like reading up on the taming of the American West, there might be some relevance here. Putting that on my list, and as far as solutions go I think that's the best I can do right now.

1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaz2hxZLycY

Re: Early Facebook and Google Employees Form a Center for Humane Technology

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it's not real egg and the processed bread-resembling muffin isn't very nutritious either

Do you really think they'd be allowed to call it an Egg McMuffin if it didn't have real eggs? It would be a pretty clear-cut case of false advertising.

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