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Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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I see a ton of imprecision in technical discussions here daily, and that's a topic on which one would expect some expertise here. And yet the pedantry that receives is far less annoying than the inevitable tax avoidance cliche-rants. Why? Because there the pedantry is at least topical. Here, it is arguing language in order to grind an axe on a side issue almost completely unrelated to the Ikea founder.

Natural language philosophy constitutes legitimate dialectics, not pedantry. In the former you add precision by first synthesizing an agreement of terminology and introducing relevant definitions. In the latter you argue against the meaning of a word instead of the intended meaning of the argument. In point of fact, it’s pedantic to dismiss an argument from legality on the grounds that it’s “legal” and not “ethical”,…

>Natural language philosophy constitutes legitimate dialectics, not pedantry. In the former you add precision by first synthesizing an agreement of terminology and introducing relevant definitions.

What you describe is not the only view of language. If you are not being pedantic, you might consider the Wittgenstien's view on how language is like a game.

So there are different classes of language games, and one can argue that legal one is not the one being played out in a internet forumn. Legalism is language of courts, derives its meaning from its use to resolve disputes. So deriving the meaning of ethics as used in normal conversation language game from legal grounds is being pedantic.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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Get a $20 buzzer and cut it yourself. 70 euros to cut your hair is way overpriced.

Works for the sides, but how to do make a smooth transition to the top? Without cutting it equally short everywhere?

> Works for the sides, but how to do make a smooth transition to the top? Without cutting it equally short everywhere?

My technique is to keep the machine at the same angle (blades roughly vertical) while moving upwards: as it slides over the curvature at the top, the distance between the base of the hair and the cutter increases smoothly. This is with the biggest comb clipped on. I then remove the comb and use my fingers instead, sliding the blade on top of them, to get a longer cut than with the combs. The machine I use is a Panasonic ER-1611 which is not cheap, but here you can see a picture including a side view for the angle: http://tondeusebarbe.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/test-pana...

I've also used before a cheaper Phillips that worked fine but wore out after some years, and the first one was a Solac that I still have in Spain and works as new. The technique works similarly for all of them, but both the Solac and the Panasonic were sold as "for professional use" and they do work noticeably better.

I've been doing this since shortly before starting my military service in Spain long ago. You get better with practice. Oh, and try to arrange a couple of parallel mirrors so that you can see the back of your head.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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I’m Geneva that costs a few million dollars. Not much by billionaire standards but not cheap either.

All depends on the location. That'd cost a few million in NY or SF but 200k near a lot of US metro areas.

Yes, and in the location "anywhere in Geneva" it costs a few millions.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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I think it's beyond "more normal", right? https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/13631/is-an-apos... Almost all the style guides recommend no apostophes on the end. Rather, apostrophes are reserved for numerals that are lefts out, i.e., '60s or 1960s, but not 1960's.

I guess it depends on how you define acceptable usage. Only a generation ago, it was widely taught to include the apostrophe. Even then it wasn't universal, but it was one recommended way to do it. For example, I have on my bookshelf "Webster's NewWorld Dictionary, Third College Edition" (copyright 1994) which says on p. 1560: "An apostrophe is used ... to show certain coined plurals. ... Figures may take either an a…

Yep, agreed. Thanks for the info!

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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> Tax avoidance is an illegal means of not paying the actual tax required It seems curious that you'd start by defining terms and then define those terms incorrectly. tax a·void·ance taks əˈvoidns noun the arrangement of one's financial affairs to minimize tax liability within the law. In short, what you're referring to as minimisation is avoidance. For what it's worth, I've been using them interchangeably up to this…

Tax avoidance is the avoidance of the required tax (an alternative name is tax evasion), tax minimisation is paying one's required tax and no more. From the perspective of tax collectors, avoidance is evasion and not minimisation. Politicians also use the term "tax avoidance" as a synonym for "tax evasion" when it is useful to them. Having friends who worked at various stages for various kinds of bureaucracies (inclu…

> Tax avoidance is the avoidance of the required tax (an alternative name is tax evasion), tax minimisation is paying one's required tax and no more

It still isn't. Some sources:

Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_avoidance

> Tax avoidance is the legal usage of the tax regime in a single territory to one's own advantage to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law.

Investopedia - https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tax_avoidance.asp

> Tax avoidance is the use of legal methods to modify an individual's financial situation to lower the amount of income tax owed. This is generally accomplished by claiming the permissible deductions and credits. This practice differs from tax evasion, which uses illegal methods, such as underreporting income to avoid paying taxes.

Dictionary.com - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/tax-avoidance

> reduction or minimization of tax liability by lawful methods

Collins Dictionary - https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/tax-avo...

> Tax avoidance is the use of legal methods to pay the smallest possible amount of tax.

Freedic Legal Dictionary - https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/tax+avoidance

> The process whereby an individual plans his or her finances so as to apply all exemptions and deductions provided by tax laws to reduce taxable income.

> Through tax avoidance, an individual takes advantage of all legal opportunities to minimize his or her state or federal Income Tax, gift tax, or estate tax. An individual may, for example, avoid federal income tax by investing a large sum of money in municipal bonds, since the interest on such bonds is not considered taxable income on which federal tax is due. Interest on the same amount of money placed in a savings account must be included as taxable income.

> From the perspective of tax collectors, avoidance is evasion and not minimisation.

This is misleading. Either may trigger an audit if the internally expected discrepancy is greater than the actual discrepancy, but an audit isn't criminal, and it takes an assertion of fraud (a violation of the law, which does not fall within legal avoidance strategies) to go from audit to criminality.

> Politicians also use the term "tax avoidance" as a synonym for "tax evasion" when it is useful to them.

Possibly. Politicians do all sorts of stupid shit. That has zero bearing on the definition of words.

> The problem that people face is that legal definitions quite often do not match the general populous understanding of the words used.

Right, which is why tax agencies interpret the law into tax code that is distributed to the populace* as clear and transparent. In the event that there's a failure at reconciliation between legislative intent on a tax policy and the interpreted code, that can be changed legislatively, clarified during reconciliation, or fixed through a variety of other means. The IRS is not authorized to re-interpret tax law to mean things it doesn't say, and while there's a certain amount of interpretive leeway, as a citizen, you can sue where you disagree.

> We can always argue over whether or not "tax avoidance" is the same as "tax evasion" or "tax minimisation".

We can, but since there are clear lexical, legal and tax definitions for each, it seems a stupid hill to die on. If people insist on using the wrong words, that can't be helped, but that doesn't mean that the right words don't exist.

> I am using the definitions of those terms as shared to me by my friends in taxation.

Not that it should be considered canon, but I have friends that work at the IRS, the SEC, and at FINCEN. I reached out to them, and they all think that your friends are wrong. /shrug.

It's probably worth clarifying that when I refer to agencies here, I'm referring specifically to American agencies. I don't have any clue on how other countries internally represent their laws, and I make no assertions as to how they operate. I have no idea.

> Lastly, if in America, the IRS is bound by those same laws as the citizenry, why are the so many documented cases of the IRS "draining" the bank accounts of so many little people when nothing illegal has been done? The IRS has interpreted the law by their own internal definitions.

Well, they can't drain your account, but they can freeze your funds. As to the 'why', it's because there are laws that expressly authorize them to do so. The IRS has express legal authority to issue a bank levy to freeze accounts in the event of certain activities or suspicion of certain activities. Note that 'having legal authority' to do something does not connote to 'having extralegal authority' to do something. They are bound by the same laws that you and I are, and those laws authorize them to do something. While speaking practically, they might be able to freeze accounts for no reason at all, but they are breaking the law in doing so because they do not have legal authority to freeze accounts for funsies.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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Capital? Maybe. Provided IKEA doesn't go tits up. What I'm suggesting is a form of portfolio diversity. And who's to say that if you invest in NPO X today that the "ROI" won't be significant5 or 10 years from now. Why not try to put a value on lives saved, impacted, etc.? So yeah. Use Capital as your only measuring stick and you're correct. But the real truth is, there's more to life than Capital. But of course the c…

I agree that there's much more to life than capital/money. What I'm saying is its very very hard to put a value on life saved/changed and compare that to money. Is donating $1M to an NPO distributing malaria vaccines today better or worse than donating $2M worth of malaria vaccines in 2 years? Who knows? How would you even begin to compare those 2 scenarios? You'd have to translate the subjective costs of being sick,…

I don't want this to sound snark / too direct but...

Bill Gates must have some sort of formula. My sense is also, some of that formula is what he can contribute. You can't do much contributing when you're dead :)

Nothing of value is easy. And big progress / big change takes (big) time. The longer you wait the more difficult it is to move the needle.

My question is kinda like an A/B test. That is, instead of waiting til the race was over, what would the impact had been had some of this started 20 years ago?

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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By defintion, more than you need is hoarding. He could have distributed (read: invested via donations and grants) more sooner. Why wait til death? Unless, there's some personal "quirk" (e.g., hoarding) prevented him from doing so? As they say, ya can't take it with you. Why not go with your bag lighter? Why not go you're leaving with seeds planted and growing? Why risk some unforseen legal snafu? Etc.

>He could have distributed (read: invested via donations and grants) more sooner. The only way he could have done that is to sell the company, and using your definition, as soon as the company was worth more than he needed personally, he would have to sell it to not be a hoarder. I'm pretty sure in that case the company would never have grown to what it is, as there's ample studies showing that founders, who know a b…

Less capital growth? Perhaps. But I'm suggesting that capital isnt the only measurement?

How many live is Buffet saving from X while his capital is locked up in traditional growth? Big efforts take time. Most of the low hanging fruit is gone. Starting sooner beats starting later.

Imho, of course ;)

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My understanding is that the Ikea corporate structure is much, much more complicated than this article even hints at, and in fact it is owned by so many different parties with different interests that go far beyond what is suggested here. Additionally, I think the Dutch are now the main owners of the main portions of the company that most associate with the name Ikea, as of a few years ago.

Who exactly are "the Dutch"?

The "Dutch" refers to people belonging to the population of the Netherlands. Much like "Americans" refers to people from the U.S.

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Tax avoidance is the avoidance of the required tax (an alternative name is tax evasion), tax minimisation is paying one's required tax and no more. From the perspective of tax collectors, avoidance is evasion and not minimisation. Politicians also use the term "tax avoidance" as a synonym for "tax evasion" when it is useful to them. Having friends who worked at various stages for various kinds of bureaucracies (inclu…

> Tax avoidance is the avoidance of the required tax (an alternative name is tax evasion), tax minimisation is paying one's required tax and no more It still isn't. Some sources: Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_avoidance > Tax avoidance is the legal usage of the tax regime in a single territory to one's own advantage to reduce the amount of tax that is payable by means that are within the law. Investope…

As far as any tax collection body is concerned, tax avoidance bad (acts as if it is the same as tax evasion), tax minimisation okay.

As far as IRS and draining of accounts is concerned, tell that to the poor people who have had their money confiscated from their accounts. Enough records of this occurring for you to track down. Little people usually don't have the resources to engage in the legal battles to regain their funds.

As far as your friends are concerned, their MMV.

Our differences are there and so be it. There are more important matters occurring at this time than this kind of discussion.

Fair thee well.

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