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You may be sarcastic, but I'm sure you know that the mobile phone companies already do this, as does Google if you have Location Services on. Not sure what Apple does.
I believe that was the point.
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Retain all sensor data forever: absolutely not, and the storage requirements would be insane anyway, especially in a harsh automotive environment (think industrial SSD pricing) Push back e.g. updated model data to help with updating routes, real-time construction developments, new driveways, ways humans make mistakes on the road, etc? I believe that every AV company will be doing this, and hopefully this data is usel…
Why wouldn't un-disable-able OTA updates be vulnerable to large-scale remote hacking? Sounds like Teslas can already be hacked. By far the simplest way to prevent this vulnerability is to prevent automatic connections to the outside world.
'I felt like I was in heaven,' the cop said. 'It's like instant replay in the NFL, I can tell what happened.' The engineers looked at each other like, 'Aw, crap.' As engineers, we have an obligation to think through privacy concerns. These (and nearly all) devices should either not retain data or should encrypt it. Also my self-driving car better not be phoning home or getting updates over the air. I've seen what hap…
I wonder what the police reaction will be to the same tracking on police cars. Using their lights to get though red lights and traffic jams when there is no emergency etc will be nicely logged.
Laws take a while to catch up with new technology. This will be fixed in 8-14 years after enough people are affected by this and congress finally gets lobbied enough. Early adopters will get hit the hardest though.
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That logic applies to every product ever made in the history of technology. Somehow their R&D departments did not need 7x24 data feeds. Each society can decide whether to permit this particular product to collect unlimited data. The presumption is that the data belongs to no one. Let's see what happens when more than one large corporate entity lays competing claim to the same data subset, embedded by a wide-ranging d…
I do think that the logic does not apply to every product ever made, that there's a major conceptual difference between products purely designed by humans and products where key features are driven by machine learning and availability of raw data. A 24/7 data feed from your toaster is not going to make your toaster better. It might help an R&D department identify some ways how the next toaster model should be differe…
We don't actually know that self-driving cars are possible in unrestricted environments. The industry is asking for highly invasive surveillance but has no liability for failure to deliver. What happens if "more data" turns out to be insufficient? Will the next request be "restrict the environmental context" or "pass new laws to change human behavior"? Where does it end? Other industries have to deliver results before changing the market. Uber et al promised the moon to their investors, then ignored local laws, then promise to save lives, then ignore privacy concerns, then ..?
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Cars, especially in the US, is very closely linked to the location of a person. For private aircraft that is generally not the case I assume. I work for a semi-governmental organization in the Netherlands and we track ships. Tracking company-owned commercial ships is no problem, but we are heavily restricted by law in what we can do with the location data of privately owned ships because people live on them.
A weirdly relevant case from Switzerland [0]. The Swiss court ruled that it's totally legal to put GPS trackers on other peoples cars to track them. The court argued that a car is so public and visible that the GPS tracker is only collecting "public knowledge" anyway. [0] https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panorama/vermischtes/wenn-am-au...
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Yeah it's about an accident, but if an ordinary police officer can view this, you know more powerful agencies are going to collect all of it (incidentally).
Are we even in the ballpark of being able to collect real time video (and other sensor data) from tens of millions of vehicles? That's a completely different technical problem than having the vehicle store some period of data. I guess authoritarians will push to have the ability to install monitoring programs locally.
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I eat popcorn watching the double-think these days. Laws simply weren't designed for perfect enforcement. We need a new legal framework that can handle omnipresence.
Many penalties have been scaled to compensate for the expected likelihood of getting caught (so as to keep the expected value of the crime negative.) Even without the radical overhaul it sounds like you're suggesting, we'll definitely have to update at least a few things.
They’ll need a warrant to pull the data from the manufacturer. Chances are no LEA is even going to ask your permission as you won’t have the tools nor know how to pull that data.
> They’ll need a warrant to pull the data from the manufacturer. Can you elaborate?
'I felt like I was in heaven,' the cop said. 'It's like instant replay in the NFL, I can tell what happened.' The engineers looked at each other like, 'Aw, crap.' As engineers, we have an obligation to think through privacy concerns. These (and nearly all) devices should either not retain data or should encrypt it. Also my self-driving car better not be phoning home or getting updates over the air. I've seen what hap…
That quote is in the context of accident reconstruction. Putting aside the question of how many accidents there will be in our future autonomous world, accidents already leak personal information, especially if they lead to court cases, and it does not seem to me that improved crash investigation need necessarily leak any more. I think this is a qualitatively different situation than tracking people's location and wh…