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There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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"We don’t even have micromachines. Mechanical objects on microscales do not exist."

That's not exactly true. See, for example

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~news/releases/2005/09/14.html

for a 60 micrometers by 250 micrometers robot from 2005.

Of course, that's not nanotechnology, and the article's main point might well be valid. Still, there seems to be a good deal of exaggeration in it.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#13
I really wish that the author would have, when complaining about "Drexler's Book", been clear about which one he was talking about.

Also, "Mechanical objects on microscales do not exist" is gratuitously false, we even have really simple mechanical objects (like cantilevers) on the 100nm scale now.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#14
For those that are skeptical about nano machinery, google 'ribosome' and be amazed.

Nano machinery is real, it exists, it powers the world, it's called biology.

The problem is that we seem to have a hard time translating our hard won knowledge of mechanical engineering to the nano scale, I expect some time will pass before the SF visions will become a reality but I think eventually we will get there. Figure another 50 to 100 years or so?

As long as we keep thinking in terms of conventional mechanics (wheels, gears, levers, wires and so on) it's going to be slow progress because we are trying to push down the size limit on our macroscopic ingredients without a real appreciation of what you can do with molecules 'as is'.

I think at some point the 'genetic synthesis' crowd is going to meet up with the 'nano technology' crowd and that's when we'll see some real action. The first little bits of progress in that direction have already been made.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

#15

So, viruses don't exist then? Because those seem to operate perfectly happily in a nanoscale environment, manipulating things around them.

Yep, and we can make those using bacteria machinery. But, it is actually pretty different when compared to some of the possibilities set out by nanotech folk. Viruses passively work in a system where their structure is intrinsic to the system. Most nano-techs can be better explained as catalysts, surfactants, anti-bodies, etc. Technologies and phenomenon long studied in existing fields.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #4

The name is all about the funding. There are many 'nano'-technology grants, which focus on devices that are tens of thousands, or even millions of nanometers large. Micro-techology, however, doesn't get the same funding from the NSF et al. MEMS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microelectromechanical_systems ) has come a long way in a very short time, and, research-dollars willing, will shrink further, so the author is…

Very true. In the life sciences it was 'biotechnology' in 2000, 'nano-technology' in 2005, and now it is 'synthetic biology'; but they're all the same and have changed names to get the funding.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is one of the authors points -- no one has done self replication on a macro scale and nanotech just assumes self replication at the molecular level

That's not really true, we self-replicate all the time (thanks mom and dad). What we don't know how to do is design things that self-replicate from scratch, but we do already have plenty of existence proofs. Also, self-replication is actually easier at the molecular level because all the parts are perfectly regular.

And we can think too, and you can see where is AI in that moment. :)

And ducks can fly with flexible wings.

And the Sun is a thermonuclear reactor.

You can find demonstrations of this type of things everywhere, that doesn't means that we can make them work with our materials, techniques and knowledge.

Nanotech seems to my like AI, always there, at just two steps... that's the type of problems that smell to vaporware from miles.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is one of the authors points -- no one has done self replication on a macro scale and nanotech just assumes self replication at the molecular level

That's not really true, we self-replicate all the time (thanks mom and dad). What we don't know how to do is design things that self-replicate from scratch, but we do already have plenty of existence proofs. Also, self-replication is actually easier at the molecular level because all the parts are perfectly regular.

Yeah, we have nano-forges. They're called wombs.

Now if only we could re-program women to make iPhones. The late-night trips to the gas station and gravel store because wife has another petroleum and sand-craving would totally be worth it.

Re: There is no nanotech, stop talking about it and start laughing at it

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post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is one of the authors points -- no one has done self replication on a macro scale and nanotech just assumes self replication at the molecular level

That's not really true, we self-replicate all the time (thanks mom and dad). What we don't know how to do is design things that self-replicate from scratch, but we do already have plenty of existence proofs. Also, self-replication is actually easier at the molecular level because all the parts are perfectly regular.

Somebody just created artificial DNA, put it in another cell, and it self-replicated. So yes we DO know how to do this now.
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