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Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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> The foundation owns itself, so no Kamprad family members hold shares. Late stage capitalism... Anyway, I don't really get why the article claims he didn't care about money. It's known for a while that IKEA avoids taxes in many dodgy ways. If he really didn't care, the connected companies could pay a reasonable amount.

He didn't really care about money personally, or at least not the material things money can buy. At least that's the image he worked very hard to portray by driving an old Volvo, living in a modest house and wearing clothes bought in a second hand store etc. He obviously cared a lot about his companies making as much money as possible. Although if you asked him he'd probably say that all that tax avoidance was just h…

"It was not exactly so, as reporters found. His home was a villa overlooking Lake Geneva, and he had an estate in Sweden and vineyards in Provence. He drove a Porsche as well as the Volvo. His cut-rate flights, hotels and meals were taken in part as an exemplar to his executives, who were expected to follow suit, to regard employment by Ikea as a life’s commitment — and to write on both sides of a piece of paper." https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/28/obituaries/ingvar-kamprad...

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

#182
post #46

> The foundation owns itself, so no Kamprad family members hold shares. Late stage capitalism... Anyway, I don't really get why the article claims he didn't care about money. It's known for a while that IKEA avoids taxes in many dodgy ways. If he really didn't care, the connected companies could pay a reasonable amount.

He didn't really care about money personally, or at least not the material things money can buy. At least that's the image he worked very hard to portray by driving an old Volvo, living in a modest house and wearing clothes bought in a second hand store etc. He obviously cared a lot about his companies making as much money as possible. Although if you asked him he'd probably say that all that tax avoidance was just h…

He owned several luxury houses and most certanly never bought 2nd hand clothes even if he wore simple clothes. So it was a carefully crafted image, not what he actually did.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, this takes 3 seconds to google.

And even less time not to type this meaningless and unnecessarily rude comment. My meaningless and unnecessarily rude comment, on the other hand, took quite a bit longer.

That's why I too often have that xkcd strip about people being wrong on the internet in mind _before_ writing a comment on HN.

StackOverflow is for "well, actually...".

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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> The foundation owns itself, so no Kamprad family members hold shares. Late stage capitalism... Anyway, I don't really get why the article claims he didn't care about money. It's known for a while that IKEA avoids taxes in many dodgy ways. If he really didn't care, the connected companies could pay a reasonable amount.

You cannot make sense of Ingvar Kamprad and IKEA without taking a moment to look at how Scandinavian culture is very different from American culture. First, we should talk about the infamous "Jantelagen":

> The Law of Jante is the description of a pattern of group behaviour towards individuals within Nordic countries that negatively portrays and criticises individual success and achievement as unworthy and inappropriate. (...) Used generally in colloquial speech in the Nordic countries as a sociological term to describe a condescending attitude towards individuality and success, the term refers to a mentality that diminishes individual effort and places all emphasis on the collective, while simultaneously denigrating those who try to stand out as individual achievers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante

(It should be noted that these days, Jantelagen as petty as described here does not really apply so much to urban Scandinavian culture, but rural areas can still be very much like this)

Kamprad grew up on a farm in a small village in the 1930s, so we can be fairly certain that this attitude was part of the social values that he grew up with. That is enough to explain why Kamprad did not show off wealth: it would be considered offensive back home.

It is also easy to imagine how one can consider cheapness a positive character trait with this mindset. So I am inclined to believe that Kamprad sincerely did not care about money despite his billions, at least not in the "American" sense.

Jantelagen may also be part of why back in the seventies, Scandinavia was one of the earliest places to embrace principles of Participatory Design: design done together with the people being designed for[0]. Interestingly, in that same period Kamprad wrote "The Testament of a Furniture Dealer"[1]. It does a lot to explain how from the Kamprad/IKEA perspective, being a force of good in the world for the have-nots is not at odds with making tons of money. It reads like political manifesto, except written by someone who can only see the world from the point of view of furniture business. I suppose it kind of is. Just look at the opening paragraphs:

> To create a better everyday life for the many people by offering a wide range of well-designed, functional home furnishing products at prices so low that as many people as possible will be able to afford them. We have decided once and for all to side with the many. What is good for our customers is also, in the long run, good for us. This is an objective that carries obligations.

> All nations and societies in both the East and West spend a disproportionate amount of their resources on satisfying a minority of the population. In our line of business, for example, far too many of the fine designs and new ideas are reserved for a small circle of the affluent. That situation has influenced the formulation of our objectives.

> After only a couple of decades, we have achieved good results. A well-known Swedish industrialist-politician has said that IKEA has meant more for the process of democratisation than many political measures put together. We believe, too, that our actions have inspired many of our colleagues to work along the same lines.

> But we have great ambitions. We know that we can be a beneficial influence on practically all markets. We know that in the future we will be able to make a valuable contribution to the process of democratisation outside our own homeland too. We know that larger production runs give us new advantages on our home ground, as well as more markets to spread our risks over. That is why it is our duty to expand.

So how did Kamprad reconcile being successful and making tons of money on the one hand, with social values "that diminish individual effort and places all emphasis on the collective" on the other? Beyond his own frugality, he oriented his ambitions towards producing for the collective. Note that this is not a self-evident business model! Plenty of businesses maximise the perceived value of their products through the idea of exclusivity (supercars and wrist-watches come to mind). When is the last time you saw that attitude applied to an IKEA product? Nobody brags about having a Lack table at home. You know what does fit the IKEA ethos? The Lack Rack, and IKEA hackers[2][3].

As far as I can tell, the internal culture of IKEA reflects this as well. I am originally from the Netherlands, but studied a master in Interaction Design in Malmö University, and have been living in Sweden for five years in total. A number of the people that I studied with ended up working for IKEA. Through them I get the impression that they truly believe in "the cause" of making affordable designs for everyone. You can also see it in IKEA's approach to sustainability[4].

Anyway, the point is that for Kamprad, maximising profits for a successful business, and this business working for the benefit of everyone was not at odds. Keep that in mind and a lot of things about IKEA start making a lot more sense.

As for the IKEA foundation, yeah, it's pretty shady. It would be interesting to look beyond the tax-evasion construction and see how guilty IKEA is of other dubious business practices like externalising costs - that is, whether or not these other practices were as easy to reconcile with a frugal mindset.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_design#History_i...

[1] http://www.ikea.com/ms/en_US/pdf/reports-downloads/the-testa...

[2] https://wiki.eth0.nl/index.php/LackRack

[3] https://www.ikeahackers.net/

[4] https://www.greenbiz.com/article/ikea-argues-businesses-go-a...

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word "loophole" itself encodes a sort of prejudice into our language, much like the phrase "automobile accident" instead of the more neutral "automobile collision". If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. People work for hundreds of hours on legislative terms, an…

> If by "loophole" one means a legislative mistake that catches legislators and lobbyists by surprise with its unintended consequences, then it denotes something that has never actually existed. Yeah, no, it happens all the time. Church of Satan uses Religious Freedom law against anti-abortion legislation. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/satanists-say-missouris-abor...

Try again; your example is terrible. There is no "loophole" discussed at that link. According to that link, the "Satanists" claim that a particular law has been misinterpreted by abortion clinics, and that the law conflicts with 1A religious rights. The only way this could be related to a loophole would be if somehow the law gave some parties additional benefits they didn't have without the law, perhaps after modification to meet 1A requirements. The whole purpose of the law is to make obtaining an abortion more onerous, so who could possibly be getting such a benefit?

The Bill of Rights has invalidated or modified laws in hundreds of legal cases. In none of those cases has it been considered the action of a loophole.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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post #144
post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you aren't seeking out the loopholes that apply to you, then you are paying more in taxes than you are legally required to. Complete nonsense. Finding a loophole in the tax code is no different to finding a flaw in some computer code that gives you some access you were never intended to have. Should we all hire professional hackers too?

> Finding a loophole in the tax code is no different to finding a flaw in some computer code that gives you some access you were never intended to have. But the former is not illegal while the latter most definitely is (unless it's your own software, etc.). Loophole has negative connotations. But it really depends on many factors. A prosperity gospel preacher buying a second LearJet tax free is not the same as a comp…

The main connotation of "loophole" is that the result is accidental rather than intended, which is fictitious propaganda.

"It's just crazy, but somehow, accidentally, we passed this big tax law and hedge fund managers don't have to pay taxes! Oh well! I guess we can't ever fix it, either! Crazy accident!"

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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> Kamprad’s heirs now won’t have direct control of the firm. They will have a more meager fortune derived from family-owned Ikano Group, a collection of finance, real estate, manufacturing and retail businesses which had total assets of about $10 billion in 2016.

I do not think the word "meager" is really appropriate when we are talking about $10 billion in assets.

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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One have to remember why this was setup in the way it is, to protect the company forever.

In Sweden during the 70-ties 80-ties the Social democrats was pushing a radical socialist agenda ('löntagarfonder') to take over companies by taxing profits and then buying shares with it, all controlled by trade unions.

Result of these policies was that many companies left Sweden to protect itself (of course). IKEA, Tetra Pak and H&M to mention a few.

These socialist policies was one of many breaches of the so called Swedish model that the Social democrats did during the 70-ties 80-ties. This was beginning of the end of the Social democratic era and they started to lose elections one after the other.

These funds was later abolished by the next right wing government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employee_funds

Re: Ikea founder leaves fortune to no one, structures it to ensure it lasts forever

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post #182
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn't really care about money personally, or at least not the material things money can buy. At least that's the image he worked very hard to portray by driving an old Volvo, living in a modest house and wearing clothes bought in a second hand store etc. He obviously cared a lot about his companies making as much money as possible. Although if you asked him he'd probably say that all that tax avoidance was just h…

He owned several luxury houses and most certanly never bought 2nd hand clothes even if he wore simple clothes. So it was a carefully crafted image, not what he actually did.

It was obviously a well crafted image, but hardly one invented out of whole cloth. For example non of the three homes he owned[0] would classify as luxury by any reasonable rich person standard. His 'luxury' house in Switzerland was probably not even among 10 most expensive houses in town and was significantly smaller than most billionaires garages. His house in Sweden is in the middle of nowhere, the sort of place where 'no one' wants to live and you can pick up large swaths of land for very little money.

edit: here is a picture of "luxury villa" in Switzerland: https://w.cdn-expressen.se/images/7d/e2/7de2bbfb59044fe6bfc3... Don't get me wrong it's a nice place and something for a reasonably successful doctor or lawyer to aspire to, but hardly screams "one of the 20 richest people in the world".

[0] The vineyard was technically owned the Ikea Foundation and not by him personally, and since the wine they produced there was sold at the restaurants at his stores the whole thing was probably considered a business expense for tax purposes. Because that was how he rolled

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