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Atomic uses rpm-ostree, which looks similar to Omaha from a client perspective (update, roll back to previous version): http://www.projectatomic.io/docs/os-updates/
I just can't get a decent "This is how to get started" from windows guide with atomic. It's all assuming I'm perfectly happy on linux. Not to knock it, but I just want to start some VMs on hyper-v and have a go.
From a financial viewpoint, CoreOs took in an investment of ~$50M [1] and sold for $250M. Assuming the $50M investment comprised 50% of the equity pool, a 2.5X return on investment isn't too bad. [1]: https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coreos
That seems an unlikely assumption. $30M of series B in May 2016 would have been at around $200M valuation. Given the risks that is a disappointing return.
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OStree's mailing list starts in April 2012. I'm sure Colin did a bunch of work before then.
Oh OSTree was definitely around then, but it wasn’t building a competitor to ContainerLinux until rpm-ostree, which made it insanely powerful in that it could build images from existing (and pervasive) redhat package repos. I’m definitely not arguing that much whatsoever. Only that it wasn’t building a full distro in a way to put it on par with ContainerLinix until after ContainerLinux was a thing and CoreOS was a co…
Forgive me for poking around a little more but I like reading computer history. That rpm-ostree first commit was an import from something called pkgsys-ostree. The first commit in pkgsys-ostree was only a little earlier; Aug 2013.
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Oh OSTree was definitely around then, but it wasn’t building a competitor to ContainerLinux until rpm-ostree, which made it insanely powerful in that it could build images from existing (and pervasive) redhat package repos. I’m definitely not arguing that much whatsoever. Only that it wasn’t building a full distro in a way to put it on par with ContainerLinix until after ContainerLinux was a thing and CoreOS was a co…
Thanks for the info and I agree. Also thank you for your work for Gnome. Awesome! Forgive me for poking around a little more but I like reading computer history. That rpm-ostree first commit was an import from something called pkgsys-ostree. The first commit in pkgsys-ostree was only a little earlier; Aug 2013.
This makes sense. Red Hat has been investing in Project Atomic for a while now and CoreOS still seems like a better option, if you're looking for a container-only OS that has been battle tested. Additionally, both companies seem like good places to work, with leadership that's often praised and has the results to show. I'm happy for CoreOS on this one, they're joining a company that I admire. Looking forward to see h…
More details here: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/coreos-user/GR4YlF2c...
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The exact quote is “Red Hat Enterprise Linux’s content, the foundation of our application ecosystem will remain our only Linux offering” The key point is “content”, which means the packages and kernel. Atomic itself is only based on RHEL content at the same schedule as RHEL (rpm-ostree and some of the tooling is the difference). So it’s not quite about Container Linux the concept being dead, just that Red Hat isn’t g…
That's a nice way to talk around the bush, but that doesn't solve the issue that, without warning or deprecation plan container linux will at some point just stop working. There's no timeline or FAQ telling us how we can keep our container linux deployments, with the same software, with the same configs, working for the next years.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/coreos-user/GR4YlF2c...
We plan to revise and update this as soon as we have plans in place.
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SAP and Google do partner, exactly what you mentioned https://news.sap.com/flexibility-scalability-speed-sap-googl...
My company uses SAP as an ERP. They’ve been trying to push HANA on us for ages, promoting their cloud service as a manner of lessening the sticker-shock. When news came through of Google and SAP ‘partnering’, upper management saw the writing on the way and went into full money-is-no-object mode and mandated the firm have a plan to switch away from SAP to alternative solutions (that I am not at liberty to discuss) wit…
I guess the specter of google just draws out assumptions.
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That's a nice way to talk around the bush, but that doesn't solve the issue that, without warning or deprecation plan container linux will at some point just stop working. There's no timeline or FAQ telling us how we can keep our container linux deployments, with the same software, with the same configs, working for the next years.
This is the current official message: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/coreos-user/GR4YlF2c... We plan to revise and update this as soon as we have plans in place.
We've got no info, and are supposed to run production systems with that.
This is a corporate acquisition, these things don't happen randomly. Why was there no plan made ahead of time? I'm disappointed and confused.
Not great news if you use container Linux: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-red-hat-acquire-coreos Container Linux and its investment in container-optimized Linux and automated “over the air” software updates are complementary to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host and Red Hat’s integrated container runtime and platform management capabilities. Red Hat Enterprise Linux’s content, the foun…
Yeah, not great. That sounds like an EOL announcement. EDIT: Thanks for everything CoreOS team, and congrats on the sale! This immutable distribution was a breath of fresh air in a crowded "enterprise / kitchen sink" space.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/coreos-user/GR4YlF2c...
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My company uses SAP as an ERP. They’ve been trying to push HANA on us for ages, promoting their cloud service as a manner of lessening the sticker-shock. When news came through of Google and SAP ‘partnering’, upper management saw the writing on the way and went into full money-is-no-object mode and mandated the firm have a plan to switch away from SAP to alternative solutions (that I am not at liberty to discuss) wit…
The data mining concept, it's just inconceivable to me. I wonder how your management drew that conclusion. I guess the specter of google just draws out assumptions.
Forget knowing what executives google... you’d have a real-time fingerprint of the whole economy, ready to be explored and monetized.
This would be... terrifying. Imagine if google discovered that (oh, I don’t know) some firm supplying parts into the Pixel product line had high margins on one of those items, and decided to play hardball to push it down. Suppose Google discovered that one small firm competing with it depend ended on another customer for most of its current revenue, and Google decided to focus its ’competition’ on changing that key client’s idea?
It would be a nightmare.