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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by ReverseCold »

pr0ph3t wrote: post #84
mcguire wrote: post #13

" Telegram has risen in popularity thanks to its focus on advanced security features and the ability to hold secret conversations with end-to-end encryption. ... Telegram was forced to create a team of moderators in Indonesia to remove “terrorist-related content” after the Indonesian government threatened to ban the messaging app. " Wait, how does that work?

Telegram has public channels that aren't encrypted.

Note that 1 to 1 chats are also not encrypted by default. It must be manually enabled - and once enabled you can only access the chat on a single device.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

Theodores wrote: post #110
igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

I think the 'moral panic' about crypto is a far more likely political reason. Nobody had heard of Telegram before, now it is where you go to find out what coin is going to the moon next. Yesterday Facebook took down all crypto-gambling adverts. There is a duty of care to not be the company responsible for making your customers crypto bag-holders. The gig is up with crypto in its current scam incarnation.

You realize you're alleging that Apple is moderating its App Store based on conversations people are having within an app? Given the gravity of your claim, and the fact that there are cryptocurrency-related applications all over the App Store, you really need to think about whether your possibility is more likely. (It isn't.)

Facebook taking down cryptocurrency gambling ads is much different than Apple removing a general purpose instant messenger. You're finding a connection you want to find, I'm guessing based on your knowledge of PnD groups being on Telegram, that being your sole exposure to Telegram, and your opinion on cryptocurrency.

Apple is very conservative with adult content which I consider the far more likely reason, be that buggy image search, some kind of trending view that porn snuck into, that kind of thing.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by module0000 »

Theodores wrote: post #110
igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

I think the 'moral panic' about crypto is a far more likely political reason. Nobody had heard of Telegram before, now it is where you go to find out what coin is going to the moon next. Yesterday Facebook took down all crypto-gambling adverts. There is a duty of care to not be the company responsible for making your customers crypto bag-holders. The gig is up with crypto in its current scam incarnation.

>> There is a duty of care to not be the company responsible for making your customers crypto bag-holders.

Are you saying that Facebook is responsible to make decisions for us - because all it takes is one advertisement to override the average human's discipline and self control?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by module0000 »

Animats wrote: post #102

Because it allows users to send inappropriate content? What next, automatic voice censorship? That's technically feasible now.

>> What next, automatic voice censorship?

Yes. The manual from 1984 is being followed in an uncanny fashion.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by debt »

igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over.

It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by escherize »

debt wrote: post #115
igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over. It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

Should they pull their Messages app for the same reason? How about any ios email clients?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by jsmthrowaway »

debt wrote: post #115
igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over. It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

Are you sure? ISIS has been coordinating operations and attacks via Telegram for its entire existence, and I don't see a lot of Apple backlash in either of your courts. (Rightly, I believe. Would you go after HTC or Sprint for a phone being used as a detonator?)

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by debt »

pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

It's supposedly more secure than the normal internet.

But ya figure for a large company of creative geniuses they could figure out how to democratize security so that the whole system isn't wholly owned and controlled by a single entity.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by eitland »

debt wrote: post #115
igloofoo wrote: post #77

There may be political motive to this. Why is Telegram X issued by "Telegram Messenger LLP" while the original Telegram is issued by "Telegram LLC"? Telegram LLC, which issues the original Telegram app on the App Store has been undergoing litigation with regards to its ownership. It is based out of Russia and a company called UCP with Krelim ties who 'bought' VKontakte has been suing Durov for full Telegram ownership…

Apple would be held liable if someone uses Telegram to coordinate a terrorist attack or if it's used for human trafficking or whatever highly illegal activity it could be used for. Potentially both in the court of law and the court of public opinion; the latter Apple has no control over. It's just not worth it financially for Apple to assume that liability.

If this was a problem then Whatsapp and every other secure chat app should be banned as well.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Forbo »

mahemm wrote: post #108
verytrivial wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten about security flaws Sorry, what? Can you show me where Signal has been implicated in flaws? There are some stories about security agencies bypassing Signal, but that is true on any hardware platform you didn't wire-wrap yourself.

I worded that poorly and have edited the OP to reflect that. I was referring to the recently re-discovered paper about group chats (e.g. https://www.helpnetsecurity.com/2018/01/11/whatsapp-signal-g... paper here: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/713.pdf )

> “The good news is that in Signal the attack is very difficult to execute,” Green noted. “The reason is that in order to add someone to your group, I need to know the group ID. Since the group ID is a random 128-bit number (and is never revealed to non-group-members or even the server) that pretty much blocks the attack. The main exception to this is former group members, who already know the group ID — and can now add themselves back to the group with impunity.”

Sounds like making a mountain out of a molehill.

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