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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by m45t3r »

danpalmer wrote: post #6
pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

Well, there is advantages in Android approach too: as far I remember in App Store there is no emulators thanks to the stricter policies of Apple, while Play Store have genuine emulators for tons of gaming consoles. And you can also sideload apps without needing of jailbreak, allowing the use of interesting apps that for some reason is not allowed in Play Store (for example, NewPipe, a alternative YouTube client with tons of extra features).

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Turing_Machine »

Frank2312 wrote: post #16
artificial wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

Netflix (and other similar platforms), Amazon Prime, Twitch subscriptions. Those are only 3 examples a ton of people pay for. If you provide a good service, you will get subscribers. News have been available for free for decades thanks to OTA TV broadcasts. That's why people don't pay for it. Niche journalism needs to have subscriptions since they can have way less views and people looking for news on that niche are…

What makes you (and others) think that citing three (or even half a dozen) examples constitutes some kind of refutation of the general rule?

There are somewhere over a billion web sites, dude. The number of those that are profitable with a subscription model (as opposed to being supported by advertising, or not being profitable at all) is a rounding error -- in the fourth or fifth decimal place.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mherdeg »

pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

The ebb and flow is kind of neat to watch.

(1) Load AOL and visit keyword "UBER" to get started requesting a car now!

(2) Type UBER into your web browser location bar then hit control-enter to visit http://UBER.com/ and get started requesting a car now!

(3) Load your app store and search for "UBER" to get started requesting a car now!

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by eitland »

Infernal wrote: post #38
thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

I've never tried/installed Telegram but thought it was just a messaging app - not a social network. Now I'm /almost/ curious enough to try it.... but I can't install it now.

Many use it for many-to-many family chat:

Pictures from birthdays and everyday life to aunts/uncles and grandparents etc.

Many also use it for social/professional groups (again many-to-many) where it offers simplicity but also includes moderation features in "supergroups" that can have up to 100 000 users.

Lately I've also joined a few channels. Channels are one-to-many (or rather: one or a few-to-many)

As for why Telegram it is super easy to use, it seems well aligned with my interests in that it's owner already lost his previous company to authorities and seems obsessed with preventing that from happening again.

That said: if your life or professional life depends on strong crypto I'd think twice or more as certain bright and leading cryptographers seems to distrust/hate it.

(Anyone who needs that should think carefully anyways but Signal seems to be a good option that is also aligned with the users interests.

WhatsApp is often recommended as well and they also seem to have solid crypto but I actively avoid them as they've broken too many promises already and also has a owner that is not aligned with my interests.)

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mahemm »

Following all of the negative press Signal has gotten recently, I feel it's unethical to let a Telegram post pass without a reminder that they don't even bother to encrypt group chats, and that there is still no proof whatsoever that their protocol is secure.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by nyolfen »

thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

YES I WENT TO COLLEGE

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RHIZOME

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by theon144 »

danpalmer wrote: post #6
pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

Ahh the App Store. It's just like the Play Store, except no viruses, far fewer scam apps, and there's a legitimate and thriving market for paid apps.

Yeah uh, I don't think they were attacking the Apple App Store specifically, the comment would read exact same if it were Google who removed the app. But sure, go ahead and knee-jerk defend your favorite corporation, that adds to the discussion.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by alkonaut »

lj3 wrote: post #5
Turing_Machine wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And takes 30% of everything you make. Compared to a website, where you get to keep 100% of zero? Users will pay for apps (not much, as a rule, but something ), but will not pay for web sites. Third-party advertisers might pay, if you're lucky, and if you don't mind treating your users as a commodity, but the users themselves will not.

> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

The only way people would pay for web sites in the extent they pay for apps is if it’s as convenient. I don’t want to log in to get the paid benefits for example. I don’t want to enter my cc details to pay the subscription if it could be avoided by “the store” already knowing it, and so on.

In the end reality is that I just pass on buying subscriptions and would probably prefer buying subscriber access to a website if they made an app facade for the site that handled payment and login. The UX of web sites and subscriptions is that bad.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by addicted »

ufo wrote: post #58
alex_hitchins wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a big plus for me. A vetted walled garden where I can give things a try without much fear of nasties is a big plus.

The problem isn't that the vetted app store exists. It is that the vetted app store controlled by the device manufacturer is the only way you are allowed to install applications

iPhone users (like myself) need to look no further than the Mac to see what a better alternative might be. The Mac only allows App Store or signed apps to be installed by default. However this setting can be toggled to allow any apps for those who need that. You can also toggle it to allow only vetted App Store apps if that’s what you prefer.

Apple could keep the default to what it is on the iPhone right now, but should at least allow signed apps from other stores as a non-default option, even if they don’t allow unsigned apps at all.

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