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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by klez »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #31
Frank2312 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix (and other similar platforms), Amazon Prime, Twitch subscriptions. Those are only 3 examples a ton of people pay for. If you provide a good service, you will get subscribers. News have been available for free for decades thanks to OTA TV broadcasts. That's why people don't pay for it. Niche journalism needs to have subscriptions since they can have way less views and people looking for news on that niche are…

They're also not exactly something a developer can launch and start making money off of. Would you pay a subscription for Flappy Bird?

> Would you pay a subscription for Flappy Bird?

I don't do that on the app store either.

And software was sold way before app stores existed, so what's your point?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mitchty »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #18

Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it. This is an accurate statement. Apple demands that Telegram be able to monitor and block "inappropriate" content. Therefor, secure communication is impossible on iOS. Apple has further demanded that developers of communications services spy on their users by "monitoring" them. Tell me again how Apple supposedly respects privacy?

> Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it.

Explain Signal then, otherwise citation needed.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mbesto »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #18

Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it. This is an accurate statement. Apple demands that Telegram be able to monitor and block "inappropriate" content. Therefor, secure communication is impossible on iOS. Apple has further demanded that developers of communications services spy on their users by "monitoring" them. Tell me again how Apple supposedly respects privacy?

This is totally unfounded...stop spreading FUD without legitimate sources.

WhatsApp, Signal, Wire...

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by thrill »

peteey wrote: post #36
artificial wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

News is free on the web and free as an app. You are not making a distinction. I paid nothing for my NPR and BBC apps.

The BBC is fully funded by the government (i.e. the taxpayer). NPR claims they are minimally funded by the government but sure does fight hard to keep that supposed 2%. But the main point is that someone else had to pay for what you espouse as free.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by dco »

jmull wrote: post #12
pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

I'm not sure why anyone argues against Apple's 30% cut like this. It's app developers who make the determination whether the cost is worth the benefit. As you point out, there are alternatives. Why do you think developers have massively and overwhelmingly opted-in?

Unfortunately, as others have already mentioned, this is not as easy as "it's app developers who make the determination whether the cost is worth the benefit". Depending on your business, having an iOS app is not something you can choose.

Talking about my own experience, once we've made clear that In-App Purchase wasn't a fit for us as we already had our own payment system (we are a SaaS business), things got way more difficult to us. As you can imagine (but I didn't at the time), our app would be in review for weeks sometimes, we started to see arbitrary denials and a lot of "issues" not present on their guidelines started to be identified on our apps.

If there is one thing that I'm now sure is that, if you decide to not play their game (even though following their rules) there will be retaliation.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by eitland »

artificial wrote: post #10
lj3 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

Happy blendle user.

Love to be able to pay for quality content.

Same with Spotify.

Both models are OK with me.

What I don't wanna pay for is every newspaper wanting a monthly subscribtion either I read something or not.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by DanBC »

thrill wrote: post #44
peteey wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

News is free on the web and free as an app. You are not making a distinction. I paid nothing for my NPR and BBC apps.

The BBC is fully funded by the government (i.e. the taxpayer). NPR claims they are minimally funded by the government but sure does fight hard to keep that supposed 2%. But the main point is that someone else had to pay for what you espouse as free.

About a quarter of its revenue comes from BBC Worldwide selling BBC content to markets outside the UK.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by klez »

Infernal wrote: post #38
thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

I've never tried/installed Telegram but thought it was just a messaging app - not a social network. Now I'm /almost/ curious enough to try it.... but I can't install it now.

It depends on your definition of a social network.

Telegram is a messaging app with group chat you can join and others where you're invited to. And bots of varying utility.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by eitland »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #31
Frank2312 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix (and other similar platforms), Amazon Prime, Twitch subscriptions. Those are only 3 examples a ton of people pay for. If you provide a good service, you will get subscribers. News have been available for free for decades thanks to OTA TV broadcasts. That's why people don't pay for it. Niche journalism needs to have subscriptions since they can have way less views and people looking for news on that niche are…

They're also not exactly something a developer can launch and start making money off of. Would you pay a subscription for Flappy Bird?

I happily pay for games and apps, including upgrades if they are valuable to me.

I refuse to pay monthly for stuff that shouldn't need backend services.

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