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Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Frank2312 wrote: post #16
artificial wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

Netflix (and other similar platforms), Amazon Prime, Twitch subscriptions. Those are only 3 examples a ton of people pay for. If you provide a good service, you will get subscribers. News have been available for free for decades thanks to OTA TV broadcasts. That's why people don't pay for it. Niche journalism needs to have subscriptions since they can have way less views and people looking for news on that niche are…

They're also not exactly something a developer can launch and start making money off of.

Would you pay a subscription for Flappy Bird?

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by galad87 »

djsumdog wrote: post #29
kevin_b_er wrote: post #18

Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it. This is an accurate statement. Apple demands that Telegram be able to monitor and block "inappropriate" content. Therefor, secure communication is impossible on iOS. Apple has further demanded that developers of communications services spy on their users by "monitoring" them. Tell me again how Apple supposedly respects privacy?

Are there no end-to-end encrypted communication apps in the Apple store/iOS? I know it's an option (that no one uses) in Facebook. It's kinda ironic since Apple refused to break encryption on their own devices for the FBI.

Yes there are, Telegram issue has got nothing to do with end-to-end encryption. Whatsapp and Signal are end-to-end for example and available on the app store.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by maxerickson »

djsumdog wrote: post #29
kevin_b_er wrote: post #18

Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it. This is an accurate statement. Apple demands that Telegram be able to monitor and block "inappropriate" content. Therefor, secure communication is impossible on iOS. Apple has further demanded that developers of communications services spy on their users by "monitoring" them. Tell me again how Apple supposedly respects privacy?

Are there no end-to-end encrypted communication apps in the Apple store/iOS? I know it's an option (that no one uses) in Facebook. It's kinda ironic since Apple refused to break encryption on their own devices for the FBI.

iMessage itself is end to end encrypted (as is Facetime).

Signal, WhatsApp and Wire are all available on iOS and end to end encrypted.

Other commenter is wrong.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by zeveb »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #4
pentae wrote: post #2

Ahh the app store. It's just like the internet, except the websites are mini apps, and a mega corporation gets to control whats on it. And takes 30% of everything you make. Brilliant.

> And takes 30% of everything you make. Compared to a website, where you get to keep 100% of zero? Users will pay for apps (not much, as a rule, but something ), but will not pay for web sites. Third-party advertisers might pay, if you're lucky, and if you don't mind treating your users as a commodity, but the users themselves will not.

> Compared to a website, where you get to keep 100% of zero?

There's more to the Internet than websites. Believe it or not, there are lots of protocols out there, not just HTTP.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by iand »

artificial wrote: post #10
lj3 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

Here are some of the online services that I subscribe to, delivered over the web: Github, AWS, pinboard.in, spotify, ancestry.com

Content/news is a terrible example since there is an oversupply of poor quality content driven by providers who believe content supports their advertising revenue rather than the other way round.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by peteey »

artificial wrote: post #10
lj3 wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but will not pay for web sites. Subscriptions to web-based services don't count as paying for web sites?

How many people would you say subscribe to something they pay for online? For example news? The pool of subscribers for magazines and news is an ever shrinking pie. I know of no one in the last three jobs that maintains a subscription that’s under under age 40.

News is free on the web and free as an app. You are not making a distinction. I paid nothing for my NPR and BBC apps.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by marnett »

ceejayoz wrote: post #27
pjc50 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please explain how developers can ship native iOS apps outside of the store?

I think the point was they're free not to ship iOS apps.

Yea, but this isn't necessarily an alternative.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Infernal »

thanatropism wrote: post #28

Every social network has a "weird" subset. "Weird facebook" is circularly-referencing visual memes. Weird Telegram is people who mix their Deleuze and Bataille and come up with something like the Andy Kaufmann version of witchcraft mysticism. I mean, it's awesome.

I've never tried/installed Telegram but thought it was just a messaging app - not a social network. Now I'm /almost/ curious enough to try it.... but I can't install it now.

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by Turing_Machine »

zeveb wrote: post #34
Turing_Machine wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And takes 30% of everything you make. Compared to a website, where you get to keep 100% of zero? Users will pay for apps (not much, as a rule, but something ), but will not pay for web sites. Third-party advertisers might pay, if you're lucky, and if you don't mind treating your users as a commodity, but the users themselves will not.

> Compared to a website, where you get to keep 100% of zero? There's more to the Internet than websites. Believe it or not, there are lots of protocols out there, not just HTTP.

The parent explicitly said "websites".

Re: Telegram removed from the App Store for 'inappropriate content'

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Post by mathiasben »

kevin_b_er wrote: post #18

Secure communication is not possible on iOS because Apple does not permit it. This is an accurate statement. Apple demands that Telegram be able to monitor and block "inappropriate" content. Therefor, secure communication is impossible on iOS. Apple has further demanded that developers of communications services spy on their users by "monitoring" them. Tell me again how Apple supposedly respects privacy?

Aren't there PGP clients available through the app store?
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