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Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Re: Orcas can imitate human speech, research reveals

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Post by koverda »

wizardforhire wrote: post #29

(Devils advocate here disclaimer) but imagine you're an isolated island with no large mammal population and pick a date long ago. Food is scarce and the ocean is large and these huge things are ripe but difficult for the taking. One is enough to feed a village for the better part of year... And when you eat it, it tastes like steak! A food you've never even contemplated existing! Add to that a rich cultural tradition…

I haven't heard about whale farming in Oklahoma. Where can I find out more about it?

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Post by exclusiv »

dorchadas wrote: post #30
irrational wrote: post #24

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I feel the same way about horses. They serve horse steaks in Iceland (and probably other places) which I find equally as barbaric.

The difference for me is that horses can be (and are) domesticated and raised for their meat. Nor are they necessarily endangered. If you find horsemeat barbaric, what about beef or chicken or pork? What about deer?

Horses are huge animals and often have to be put down for injuries to their legs. It's a shame to let meat go to waste. I don't know about killing horses in their prime though if that's what they do.

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Post by probablymaybe »

irrational wrote: post #24
ickwabe wrote: post #15

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Agreed. As should Norway and Iceland.

I feel the same way about horses. They serve horse steaks in Iceland (and probably other places) which I find equally as barbaric.

Fortunately horses are about as bright as the average garden vegetable, so I've never felt particularly bad about eating them.

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Post by lgessler »

irrational wrote: post #24
ickwabe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. As should Norway and Iceland.

I feel the same way about horses. They serve horse steaks in Iceland (and probably other places) which I find equally as barbaric.

Do you feel the same way about pork or beef?

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Post by kajecounterhack »

nxsynonym wrote: post #26
kajecounterhack wrote: post #22

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>The difference is whales are not sustenance and are not something most Japanese would eat or enjoy to eat. Wow this is presumptuous, whale meat has a long history in Japan and whales have been used for sustenance for a long time. That they should not be sustenance is your opinion. Pigs are intelligent too. Unfortunately eating animals in general is fraught with moral quandary. Please stop making blanket statements a…

Intelligence aside, I see a difference between actively depleting a population and farming animals as a resource.

I'd have been ok with the parent post if it was about that, or if it was just stating an opinion and fairly treated the moral dilemma of eating intelligent meat. Instead it was like "I'm clearly not Japanese but I fancy its culture and its good good people don't want to eat whale meat" yeah, no.

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Post by brg1007 »

irrational wrote: post #24
ickwabe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. As should Norway and Iceland.

I feel the same way about horses. They serve horse steaks in Iceland (and probably other places) which I find equally as barbaric.

You can buy horse meat at the supermarket in Switzerland and I think in Italy also if I'm not mistaking.

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Post by phreeza »

mrkstu wrote: post #23
blondie9x wrote: post #12

Whales are intelligent. They should not be killed by humans who mask the activities as scientific research. Japan is a great country and a leader on many levels. I speak Japanese. I enjoy Japanese food and culture. The people are very kind and considerate. There are some who are concerned if you stop killing whales you must stop killing fish and other forms of sustenance. This is not the case. The difference is whale…

Agreed. I chimed in on an earlier article supporting eating meat- but higher mammals are a special case. Dolphins/Whales should be in the same category as Elephants and Apes. They are beings with complex social structures and individual personalities. They are not prey or husbandry animals, but apex animals. David Brin's Uplift novels make this point very well- these are our fellow travelers on the road to sentience.…

Why are elephants higher on the hierarchy than eg pigs?
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