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Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by nailer »

zapita wrote: post #96
politician wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt and Quay ahead of Docker going to Microsoft (who will pay a premium to try to put this genie back into the bottle) Given their self-inflicted XHR debacle that dethroned Office, I just don't see Microsoft passing up this opportunity. Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to market unless it's a blocking p…

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

> Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development.

Yep. Even technical people are used to referring to Linux container tech as 'Docker' so when you ask them what technology they use, they'll mention Kubernetes.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by snuxoll »

simonh wrote: post #79
freedomben wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, I totally disagree. The split of Fedora and RHEL was a great move for users IMHO. Serving the needs of desktop users and enterprise (servers) with the same distro just isn't doable. They have wildly different and incompatible needs. I've been a happy fedora user for years. Red Hat has also done tons of things that directly fly in the face of a company seeking profits. Like continuing to release your full…

Companies that dont want to pay would simply use another free Linux, or maybe BSD. Centos keeps Red Hat relevant to those users and ensures they have an easy path to commercial Red Hat. It also makes sure accademics and students have an option to get familiar with it and provides a platform for developing skilled Red Hat aware talent. I'd be surprised if it costs them much more than 1% of sales, and as a free taster…

Then there’s projects like OpenShift, we deployed OpenShift Origin on a cluster of CentOS Atomic VM, just over a year ago - at this point we are looking at buying dedicated hardware and OCP licenses from Red Hat now that we’ve used it in production for a while and need/want support when things go awry.

“Free taster” is certainly an apt anaology, I know there’s plenty of people who will never buy the supported products but there are likely a lot of other organizations like us that decide to buy in AFTER trying the upstream projects first.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by AndyNemmity »

zapita wrote: post #96
politician wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt and Quay ahead of Docker going to Microsoft (who will pay a premium to try to put this genie back into the bottle) Given their self-inflicted XHR debacle that dethroned Office, I just don't see Microsoft passing up this opportunity. Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to market unless it's a blocking p…

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

Google already partners with SAP to bring larger enterprise customers to their cloud.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by AndyNemmity »

kakwa_ wrote: post #103
zapita wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

Frankly, I'm not sure why Google would acquire RedHat, SAP or Oracle. I'm not sure what will be gain from that. Google probably doesn't care about the softwares these companies provides as it has its own internal alternatives/derivative and Google is not really a software vendor, so it's a bit outside of their core business. What would make more sense in my opinion would be for Google to have a partnership with a big…

SAP and Google do partner, exactly what you mentioned

https://news.sap.com/flexibility-scalability-speed-sap-googl...

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by fulminatorz68 »

When I think RH I read an older less shitty company without a monetary involvement in a lot of speculative tech. It was a linux company.

If it was up to me my employees would be able to: 1) Install and hybrid a physical infra with LXC and KVM/QEMU. 2) Use Freebsd for anything else.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by parasubvert »

zapita wrote: post #96
politician wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt and Quay ahead of Docker going to Microsoft (who will pay a premium to try to put this genie back into the bottle) Given their self-inflicted XHR debacle that dethroned Office, I just don't see Microsoft passing up this opportunity. Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to market unless it's a blocking p…

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

> They have no clue how to sell to enterprises, and because of that they are falling behind AWS and Microsoft in the cloud market.

One could argue the same about AWS for a long time. They’re still lumpy depending on the region. Google has gotten way better in this regard, and are hiring like mad. I wouldn’t presume the above is true any longer.

Microsoft on the other hand can sell, but Azure is flaky.

Google’s main limitation is they don’t have the breadth of offerings of AWS or Azure. That will change with time...

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by vitorgrs »

numbsafari wrote: post #30
grey-area wrote: post #23

Not great news if you use container Linux: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-red-hat-acquire-coreos Container Linux and its investment in container-optimized Linux and automated “over the air” software updates are complementary to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host and Red Hat’s integrated container runtime and platform management capabilities. Red Hat Enterprise Linux’s content, the foun…

Super disappointed in this part of it. Is anyone else aware/familiar with a decent immutable lightweight Linux distro like Container Linux?

There's Alpine Linux. https://www.alpinelinux.org/

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by bogomipz »

zapita wrote: post #102
ZiiS wrote: post #101

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That seems an unlikely assumption. $30M of series B in May 2016 would have been at around $200M valuation. Given the risks that is a disappointing return.

It's worse than that, their series B valuation was closer to $300M. Great for the founders, hopefully great for the team, solid for early investors. Disappointing for latest investors, but shit happens - and the best investors understand the long-term value of graciously allowing the founders to follow their heart, even at the cost of a short-term disappointment.

Can you explain how you arrived this number? What sources and formula did you use? I'm no questioning it, I am generally curious. Thanks.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by bogomipz »

puzzle wrote: post #26
grey-area wrote: post #23

Not great news if you use container Linux: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/faq-red-hat-acquire-coreos Container Linux and its investment in container-optimized Linux and automated “over the air” software updates are complementary to Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Red Hat Enterprise Linux Atomic Host and Red Hat’s integrated container runtime and platform management capabilities. Red Hat Enterprise Linux’s content, the foun…

Which delivery mechanisms? The ContainerLinux boot image updater comes from Chrome and ChromeOS (Omaha). They must be talking about the higher-level partitioning of a cluster into groups with separate policies, etc. Congratulations to the CoreOS team, by the way.

>"The ContainerLinux boot image updater comes from Chrome and ChromeOS (Omaha)."

Could you or anyone else recommend any literature on ContainerLinux boot image and its use of ChromeOS as a foundation?

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by digi_owl »

gtirloni wrote: post #6

This makes sense. Red Hat has been investing in Project Atomic for a while now and CoreOS still seems like a better option, if you're looking for a container-only OS that has been battle tested. Additionally, both companies seem like good places to work, with leadership that's often praised and has the results to show. I'm happy for CoreOS on this one, they're joining a company that I admire. Looking forward to see h…

Investing is probably putting it mildly. The top contributor is directly on their payroll...
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