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Re: Fools and their crypto

#91
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is about timing. Myspace didn't work out but Facebook did. Apple couldn't push its product until later. The reason people keep going back to 0 is that the current system is not the most efficient one. The process will repeat until it hits the right time. At that time it'll gain momentum and thwart the current system.

I'm not sure MySpace's chief sin was timing. Plenty of people used it. However, I seem to remember that people could easily modify the style of their profile page and so you had garish glittery bright-colored pages all over the place. Facebook came along then and gave users absolutely no control over the style of their page, keeping things clean and standardized.

FB's chief avenue to success was that they turned the chicken-and-egg problem of social networks (they are only helpful when lots of people your know are on the same network) into a shining example of the strength of the network effect. They did so by limiting signups to a single campus at first. Then they grew by expanding to specific campuses only. They made it so that facebook became the network for the students on each of those campuses to be on, yet kept the allure up by being exclusive. By the time they opened up to the wider public, the brand was super strong and entrenched.

Also, facebook had a huge amount of money to throw at marketing. That shouldn't be forgotten. They essentially bought success by spending that money, when lots of other social networks never were able to do so.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#92

Every few decades, libertarians need to be reminded why regulations exist. Time passes, and people forget why the SEC, FTC, FDA, FDIC, OSHA, child labor laws, et al were even created. Cryptocurrencies created a completely anarchic monetary system, which people have used to layer investment systems on top of. Naturally, low hanging fruit scams and cons have arisen, and some form of governing structure will eventually…

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that whales control markets. I don't think we can have it any other way... free markets will never be fair / equal for all unless you have a communist system in play.

What crypto does to finance is eliminate more middle men than ever before and bring more transparency than ever before. The majority of people would consider that a good thing.

It doesn't mean the poor get wealthier or the rich get poorer, it just means things are more transparent, which creates a more level playing field.

Billions of dollars can't just go 'missing' like it can in the traditional fiat system for a variety of reasons - mainly because we're relying on humans to (a) be honest and (b) remember to manually file paperwork.

Crypto brings its own set of problems but like any form of technology, it will evolve over time so long as there are advantages to using it. And so long as it evolves, there'll always be new opportunities along with new casualties.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#93

Every few decades, libertarians need to be reminded why regulations exist. Time passes, and people forget why the SEC, FTC, FDA, FDIC, OSHA, child labor laws, et al were even created. Cryptocurrencies created a completely anarchic monetary system, which people have used to layer investment systems on top of. Naturally, low hanging fruit scams and cons have arisen, and some form of governing structure will eventually…

I'm a registered Libertarian (lol) who isn't against reigning in ICOs. My chief concern is regulation creep from problems that do exist, to problems that may exist in the future, but aren't really a current concern. I find targeting the latter gives a government a whole lot of elbow room to extract wealth, via things like trade license fees, ICO officiation fees, a requirement that a coin some some property that crea…

your point about needing a tech background to invest is like saying that one should have a finance background to invest in an IPO. I disagree.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#94

Every few decades, libertarians need to be reminded why regulations exist. Time passes, and people forget why the SEC, FTC, FDA, FDIC, OSHA, child labor laws, et al were even created. Cryptocurrencies created a completely anarchic monetary system, which people have used to layer investment systems on top of. Naturally, low hanging fruit scams and cons have arisen, and some form of governing structure will eventually…

Great points and I fully agree.

The difference with cryptocurrencies, and the part I find particularly exciting, is this time the structure is independent of nation states. Conceptually this is a big leap forward. I do agree with "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", that is likely the scenario. But even incremental improvements in objective rule of law have improved the human condition, and if cryptocurrencies can improve this in the financial realm that is a good thing.

Also not to imply that the whole space isn't rife with scams and foolish ideas at the moment, nor to imply nation states aren't going to plant a boot firmly on the head of the entire program as that well could happen. Because at the end of the day it sits on a platform that is ultimately controlled by nation states.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#95
post #78

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It's early days. Think Netscape.

Name one use case for cryptocurrencies where they work better than existing technologies and that does not involve buying illegal stuff online. Seriously, I must be writing a comment like this one at least two times a week lately on HN. I keep hearing "blockchain technology is here to stay, think of the possibilities!" and I say that it's already showing its limitations and people are scrambling to find real world us…

How about five?

* private transactions: your identity need not be associated with donating to wikileaks or buying a sex toy

* irreversible: no chargebacks or transaction reversals

* unseizable: protection against civil forfeiture, IRS account seizures for "structuring", etc

* remittance: send any amount of funds anywhere in the world with minimum fees with no 3rd party ever having access to funds

* exit from corrupt monetary policies: see Argentina, Venezuela

But apparently these don't apply to you personally so it may be best to continue swiping your Mastercard™.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#96
It seems like I will continue collecting downvotes on this topic but I will give yet another try.

I would not be totally against regulation and government intervention into blockchain space (and any other space as well). In fact, it would be really good for the space have reasonable but friendly regulation which would clean up space from outright scams.

Unfortunately, governments usually don't try to came up with reasonable regulation but rather killing regulation. One notable example is BitLicense which lead to mass exodus of cryptocurrency-related companies from New York.

Real life example of sad result of such regulation:

https://www.stellar.org/lumens/build/

> If you live in a restricted area — any country on the U.S. sanctions list, as well as the states of Alabama, Connecticut, Hawaii, New York, Vermont and Washington — regulations prevent us from sending you lumens. Unfortunately, therefore, residents of restricted areas are not eligible for an award.

This sentence is exact reason why I really hate regulators and people who are very enthusiastic about big government cracking down cryptocurrency space just because of few really stupid and obvious pump and dump scams on coins I've never heard of.

Fortunately, I don't live in New York and US. I'm rather give here examples familiar to Hacker News readers.

Another thing I hate about regulators is notion of accredited investor. Which says:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accredited_investor#United_Sta...

> In the United States, to be considered an accredited investor, one must have a net worth of at least $1,000,000, excluding the value of one's primary residence

Which basically says - rich gets richer and you poor little guy is too stupid for participating in potentially highly lucrative deals.

I know what you will say - the governments try to protect ordinary people from scams. Don't you think it's a little overshoot??? Instead of keeping so high barrier of entry, the government could impose some sort of exams if you want to accredited investor. Or as alternative, make sure a person won't put more than 10% of early net income in high risk projects. That's what I would call friendly regulation.

So I see how government try to regulate (just practically ban things) and I tell - it's better having no regulation at all!

Re: Fools and their crypto

#97
Serious question: are there any ICOs that aren't scams? Or are there any ICOs that have raised money for something and have actually delivered that something? Seems like everyone from children to grandmas are doing ICOs these days and I've yet to hear about anything that _wasn't_ a scam.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#98

Every few decades, libertarians need to be reminded why regulations exist. Time passes, and people forget why the SEC, FTC, FDA, FDIC, OSHA, child labor laws, et al were even created. Cryptocurrencies created a completely anarchic monetary system, which people have used to layer investment systems on top of. Naturally, low hanging fruit scams and cons have arisen, and some form of governing structure will eventually…

I don't think anyone disputes the fact that whales control markets. I don't think we can have it any other way... free markets will never be fair / equal for all unless you have a communist system in play. What crypto does to finance is eliminate more middle men than ever before and bring more transparency than ever before. The majority of people would consider that a good thing. It doesn't mean the poor get wealthie…

> more transparency than ever before

So we have more transparency with these completely opaque ICO situations where the company name and country of operation isn't even clear? Versus the highly regulated filing requirements and GAAP independent audit requirements of a public company? Huh?

Re: Fools and their crypto

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's early days. Think Netscape.

Yes, lets. From Crank it up article[1]: "In 1995, from Q1 to Q4, Netscape's revenue went from $5 million to $10 million to $20 million to $40 million." Netscape was formed in April of 1994 so we are talking about 9 months after creation they had revenue of 5mil. First website was launched at the end of December 1990 so less than 4.5 years before. Blockchain is significantly older at this point. [1] https://www.wired.…

And significantly more complex than a 1990's website having a a drastically different and unrefined business model connected to an actual trading vehicle. Try running a startup and let us know how long it takes for the average startup to start bringing in consequential revenue.

It's clear there's lots of unfounded disdain for crypto among certain software engineering camps as crypto is a combination of software engineering and financial engineering which is downright repulsive to certain purists.

If you step outside of this line of thinking and understand the power of a trading vehicle and it's ability to finance operations or fund research, that might shed some new light on things.

Re: Fools and their crypto

#100
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The picture on the article's page is of a flock of children who are following a person, presumably a pied piper, who has no head and no pipe. Doing a google image search shows the head was specifically cut off for this page! Yep. That's the state of cryptocurrencies. A picture is worth a thousand words.

That I guess is a subtle nod to the company Pied Piper in the series Silicon Valley [1]. In the last season one of the characters built an app called "SeeFood", a Shazam for food: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNyi3nAuLb0 The app ended being used at Periscope to detect penis which explains the ending for the website too.

In case you’re wondering why your comment is all gray: people think you should go to your school and demand your money back if you think „pied piper“ was invented by the TV series.

(Unless you’re not in Europe or its cultural descendants)

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