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Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by timlyo »

zapita wrote: post #96
politician wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt and Quay ahead of Docker going to Microsoft (who will pay a premium to try to put this genie back into the bottle) Given their self-inflicted XHR debacle that dethroned Office, I just don't see Microsoft passing up this opportunity. Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to market unless it's a blocking p…

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

>rkt on the other hand is a dead project

Why is this? I've only recently started looking at it.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by kuschku »

quotemstr wrote: post #123

So CoreOS's claim to fame is that it _only_ runs containers? How is that useful? You can run containers on any distribution.

Because it does the rest for you, magically.

You mount a config file into the system, but CoreOS on it (or boot per PXE), and coreOS does the entire rest for you. You never have to install or reinstall, never have to deal with updates. If you put that config file on any system with coreOS, it'll be exactly like yours.

This means I can create a config to tell a server to join a kubernetes cluster, and then whenever I create a new server I simply mount the config in, and am done. I never have to set up or configure servers. Everything is handled automatically. No more fighting with Ubuntu wiping all repos 10 minutes (!) after a version is replaced by the successor, never dealing with misconfiguration.

It's truly amazing, and I loved using it. Going back to normal distros is painful.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by kuschku »

sandGorgon wrote: post #99

i wonder if it will mean that coreos becomes the official server-side fedora to rhel ... and replaces the community powered centos.

The RedHat press release states that RedHat won't maintain any distro aside of those they previously maintained, which many interpret as that all Core OS distros are now EOL.

This is painful and sad.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by Terretta »

zapita wrote: post #108
kaushikt wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is true. CoreOS was doing well and i am sure could grow on their own too. Why did CoreOS go for this deal though? also, how could the investors agree?

They want for the deal because, in spite of doing well on the community side, they did not go as well on the business side. Enterprise Linux and Enterprise Kubernetes are very crowded and difficult markets. Being popular with startups is a big advantage in many ways, but it doesn't pay the bills.

This is important. A startup has to get beyond upstart.

Despite being a ‘buyer’ it was virtually impossible to get traditional enterprise risk management processes to bet the farm on an upstart OS + platform.

Now a vendor that enterprise starts to trust can offer this and everyone wins. It’s just what the doctor ordered for the K8s roadmap at RedHat.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by wowtip »

Is this a good technical fit? Is this good for the tech community as a whole?

I am a bit disheartened to see discussions often going in the direction of big corporation politics / power play, rather than how it benefits the community.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by ealexhudson »

zapita wrote: post #78
fapjacks wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think so. Docker Inc seems to want to take this as far as they can on their own, and I haven't seen anything to indicate a deviation from their stated and implied goal of becoming an entrenched brand of enterprise platform. I don't think they've done much in the way of positioning themselves to be bought, though I'm sure some of the bigger players would like to buy them. I'm interested in this kind of discuss…

I think you're right. CoreOS never made the transition from technology and community leader to a sustainable enterprise business. I think Docker has made that transition. They are at a completely different stage than CoreOS and facing vastly different challenges. For Docker the question is: can they carve out enough of the enterprise IT budget to reach IPO-level revenue growth before either A) their direct competitio…

I'm not sure their direct competition really is Red Hat or VMware to be honest. Their product is Containers-as-a-Service, which is becoming a table-stakes service in cloud: everyone offers k8s management at a starting price of "free".

Docker is in a kind of weird place in the market where they're selling as-a-service for on-premise. Puts them in the same place as OpenStack and CloudFoundry for me - the former is already squished; jury's out on the second (IMHO). I don't see their current strategy succeeding, personally.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by quotemstr »

kuschku wrote: post #124
quotemstr wrote: post #123

So CoreOS's claim to fame is that it _only_ runs containers? How is that useful? You can run containers on any distribution.

Because it does the rest for you, magically. You mount a config file into the system, but CoreOS on it (or boot per PXE), and coreOS does the entire rest for you. You never have to install or reinstall, never have to deal with updates. If you put that config file on any system with coreOS, it'll be exactly like yours. This means I can create a config to tell a server to join a kubernetes cluster, and then whenever I…

Ah, I see. So it's basically integrated Puppet, but with first class support from the configured system
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