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Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by manishjhawar »

pierrebeaucamp wrote: post #33
numbsafari wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Super disappointed in this part of it. Is anyone else aware/familiar with a decent immutable lightweight Linux distro like Container Linux?

If you're looking for immutability, I can recommend NixOS. However what is drawing me to container Linux is mainly its update process

+1 too :-)

I'm using NixOS happily since 2014 after getting messed up in pacman dependencies on Arch and haven't looked back. But their too radical shift from LSB makes for a less attractive enterprise story. Hopefully GuixSD[1] can plug that hole due to the GNU brand as it has been progressing nicely.

[1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by zaat »

gigatexal wrote: post #85
scriptingnerd wrote: post #80

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This is something I have long thought about. For a long time, I thought they might set their sights on SUSE as well, but they haven't. I dislike the idea of Microsoft acquiring a Linux company. Despite my primary current bread and butter being PowerShell and Windows Servers, I have, in a past life been a UNIX admin, and would prefer the two camps to remain divided. Microsoft embracing "open source" cuts both ways in…

Microsoft is constantly being chummy with Canonical. Coming to Canonical events — offering the WSL based on Ubuntu, etc. it makes total sense. It’s such a Microsoft thing to do: they could buy them and then offer them as a alternative to Windows and still make a ton of money. Or buy them an make WSL even better and shut everything else down. I really think it’s going to happen. And if they get flack from regulators t…

They also befriend RedHat nowadays.They partner with them around MSSQL on OpenShift and RedHat offerings (RHEL, OpenShift) on Azure. They also invite RedHat to their events, let them have sessions and so on.

I don't think that the warming relationships means anything in the way of acquisition, what do Microsoft have to gain from such a deal? I think they are far better to work with them as partners.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by manishjhawar »

emmelaich wrote: post #57
SEJeff wrote: post #36

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Fedora / CentOS Atomic, which is Redhat's "clone" of container linux.

Atomic (or at least OStree) predates ContainerLinux by quite a bit. Also Atomic is more than just an OS; it's a system of reliable upgrades / versions switching. So it's got something in common with NixOS.

Common only in very high-level concept as the implementation details are vastly differing. NixOS is based on the Nix[1] purely functional package manager and configuration language while OSTree is termed to be "git for operating systems"[2].

[1]: https://nixos.org/nix/ [2]: https://ostree.readthedocs.io/

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by FreedomWarrior »

manishjhawar wrote: post #111
pierrebeaucamp wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're looking for immutability, I can recommend NixOS. However what is drawing me to container Linux is mainly its update process

+1 too :-) I'm using NixOS happily since 2014 after getting messed up in pacman dependencies on Arch and haven't looked back. But their too radical shift from LSB makes for a less attractive enterprise story. Hopefully GuixSD[1] can plug that hole due to the GNU brand as it has been progressing nicely. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/

GuixSD is just as disconnected from the Linux Standard Base as NixOS.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by lima »

zapita wrote: post #96
politician wrote: post #81

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I agree that this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt and Quay ahead of Docker going to Microsoft (who will pay a premium to try to put this genie back into the bottle) Given their self-inflicted XHR debacle that dethroned Office, I just don't see Microsoft passing up this opportunity. Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to market unless it's a blocking p…

> this is a good move by Red Hat to position themselves with rkt Red Hat does not give a damn about rkt. They care about Kubernetes, specifically establishing and consolidating a dominant position in upstream kubernetes development. CoreOS helps them do that. rkt on the other hand is a dead project and completely useless to Red Hat. > Google, on the other hand, doesn't need Docker to plug any holes in their go to mar…

Red Hat cares a lot about getting rid of Docker. They're a major contributor to CRI-O [1], which is very similar to rkt.

[1]: http://cri-o.io/

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by lima »

freedomben wrote: post #75
joshuak wrote: post #62

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Man have I really enjoyed CoreOS/Container Linux, etcd and generally all the work the CoreOS guys have done, and boy have I hated Red Hat's business practices. I moved away from Red Hat back when they split the OS into Enterprise and Fedora flavors. I was a big fan of Red Hat back when they were leading the way in the early days of linux with things like application packaging, and a general vision towards simplicity.…

Interesting, I totally disagree. The split of Fedora and RHEL was a great move for users IMHO. Serving the needs of desktop users and enterprise (servers) with the same distro just isn't doable. They have wildly different and incompatible needs. I've been a happy fedora user for years. Red Hat has also done tons of things that directly fly in the face of a company seeking profits. Like continuing to release your full…

Recent example: they open sourced Ansible Tower. They must've lost quite a few sales, but even after only a few months community contributions started flowing in.[1]

Red Hat really believes in the power of open source. It must be a great place to work at.

[1]: https://github.com/ansible/awx I wish more companies had that kind of courage.

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by jwildeboer »

codefreakxff wrote: post #68
spraak wrote: post #45

Why was "Expanding its Kubernetes and Containers Leadership" removed from the title here when it is part of the original article title?

my two cents: "Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS" is fact "Expanding its Kubernetes and Containers Leadership" is hyperbole

Just some facts: Red Hat is #2 corporate committer (after Google and "independent") to Kubernetes[1]. With the acquisition of CoreOS Red Hat engineers now lead or co-lead 15 of the Kubernetes SIGs[2].

Disclaimer: I'm a Red Hatter

[1] http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&project_type=kuberne...

[2] https://twitter.com/openshift/status/958454802605846528

Re: Red Hat to Acquire CoreOS

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Post by smoyer »

jacques_chester wrote: post #59

This is a good move for CoreOS and Red Hat, I think. I've thought for a while that the platform market would shake out and be left with one and at most two winners. Previously we saw Deis fold into Microsoft and now CoreOS into Red Hat. I expect that Docker will run independently for another few years before their investors realise it's time to push for an acquisition exit, but it's unclear by whom. I figure Heptio w…

This sounds pretty logical ... the other big player is probably Oracle who will end up purchasing Pivotal, Rackspace, ...
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