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U.S. Regulators to Subpoena Crypto Exchange Bitfinex, Tether

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Re: U.S. Regulators to Subpoena Crypto Exchange Bitfinex, Tether

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> How trustworthy is Kraken? They spoof their order books and use wash trading bots...so draw your own conclusions :) Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz-ziPfP00M

...on USDT. how are they even benefiting from this?

To keep the price pegged at around 1USD

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How trustworthy is Kraken? Tether looks like a good short since if it is a fraud it will go way down and if it isn't a fraud it will stay right where it is. I'm in the US and would like to short Tether. But I want to get paid if I'm right.

The best way is probably to sell BTC futures, if Tether/Bitfinex go down the market will be chaos and won't have the Tether protection team to bid it back up. Those are cash settled and you will 100% get your money. Shorting on any crypto exchange has a lot more counterparty risk.

Let's say I'm hypothetically inclined to sell BTC futures. Where would I go to do that?

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So, how does this work legally? Bitfinex isn't a U.S. based company and doesn't work with U.S. citizens. The article says where it's based is unknown. Does the CFTC have the authority to subpoena them? Is it because they're claiming Tether is USD pegged, so they gain authority because of their use of the dollar? Honestly just a curious question. (I'm not looking for snarky answers to the effect of "world police".)

In 2014, As I recall, they were based in Hong Kong. I registered a business account with them for my own Hong Kong company back then.

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Which just pushes the problem a little further away since eventually somebody will have to pay taxes in fiat so if your cryptocurrency is not convertible it's going to be a problem.

Originally, 'fiat' had the same link to gold as crypto has to fiat. True, for taxes fiat is needed, but it is possible to have a thriving economy without needing access to fiat. The moment people can start to pay rent and groceries in crypto, it makes sense to accept crypto even if you can't turn it into fiat. As long as taxes are paid in fiat, you need some of it, but that wouldn't make crypto useless.

You would also need crypto value to be much more stable for that to happen but I also agree with the idea.

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No. A foreign bank can hold USD without any US oversight.

> A foreign bank can hold USD without any US oversight If they hold it as hard cash, practically, sure. If they want to be allowed to send or receive wires and generally not get sanctioned by the United States, no. The U.S. Treasury claims international jurisdiction over U.S. dollars [1]. [1] https://cblr.columbia.edu/the-u-s-jurisdiction-over-transfer...

Definitely have suprising powers. I once sent a wire payment in USD from my Hong Kong company’s HSBC business bank account directly to my China company’s bank inside China, where my bank in China would convert it to renminbi. I was shocked to find out the bank wire was somehow held up in NYC! Blew my mind. Nothing to do with the USA in this transaction, except the USD. The reason the wire was held up? I had wrote the word “Grenade” in the notes field of the bank wire. The payment was a materials deposit for an action camera mount product we make at my factory called “Grenade Grip”. I regularly write the product name in the notes field for my accountants. Mistake.

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It's somewhat equvalent but more complicated and more expensive (Transaction costs at each step). It also has one huge downside, which accounts for why you wouldn't do it. You'd be flooding the market Tethers nobody is asking for, which risks crashing the value of Tethers. They could buy back the tethers for dollars to stablize the price, but that would make the whole transaction useless. There is also volitity risk.…

True on volatility and transactions, I shouldnt have said exactly. But volatility speaks to why you would want to exit BTC as quickly as possible, if trying to avoid. One could argue it should net out to nothing over time. I dont see it as flooding the market with anything, the Tethers are created in effect by people exiting cryptos into Tether on all these exchanges that only deal with Tether rather than USD (potent…

Right, so in the situation you describe, they no longer have a dollar backing the issue of new tether, in fact they have conjured them up from nowhere and used them to buy cryptocurrency. So while the original 10 million in tether is backed by USD, the new stuff isn't. And the mass printing has conveniently propped up the BTC price as well!

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Summary for newbs: Bitfinex is a crypto exchange kinda based in Hong Kong and kind of based in Taiwan (this seems to change depending on convenience.) Taiwan recently started becoming more rigorous about monitoring international USD wires, and lots of Bitfinex users had their money stranded in Taiwan. Bitfinex stopped supporting US customers because of these difficulties (AFAIK most customers did eventually get their…

You're skipping a key bit here; billions of Tethers magically appeared on the market in the last month and were used to buy BTC in suspiciously regular fashion, in 100 million USDT amounts, and with no clear evidence that it was actually purchased by anyone using real USD.

actually if you put 10k to buy btc and then revert it to usdt your 10k becomes usdt backing. since you are buying something that needs to keep the price inflation kicks in and more is issued. nothing magical about that

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Summary for newbs: Bitfinex is a crypto exchange kinda based in Hong Kong and kind of based in Taiwan (this seems to change depending on convenience.) Taiwan recently started becoming more rigorous about monitoring international USD wires, and lots of Bitfinex users had their money stranded in Taiwan. Bitfinex stopped supporting US customers because of these difficulties (AFAIK most customers did eventually get their…

Isn't this kinda similar to the fractional banking system we have already?

Not at all.

First of all, banks do have to balance their books. The 'fractional reserve' model taught in school is actually not how banks work in reality, and violates accounting rules.

Every single deposit in the bank does need to be backed by something - if banks just stored deposits then they would have to either have the full reserve backing, or other assets (cash, investments, etc.) backing every dollar. Lending seems different, but is really the same. Lending creates new money, by creating a new asset on the bank's balance sheet (the loan), and creating a matching liability of the bank (the deposit). But it is still backed by an asset - the debt to the person they lent to. (Central bank reserves don't actually come into lending, until the banks need to transfer money to other banks. Reserves are used for this, and the bank requires enough in their asset mix to maintain liquidity of their interbank transfers. They can just borrow reserves, for pretty close to the headline interest rate from other banks if they need some extra though).

So, Tether could be operating like the banking system, but, if they don't have full backing they would have to be creating matching debt for the remainder, with the intention of it being repaid. Otherwise their liabilities (the Tether) don't match their assets and it's just fraud.

Secondly, banking systems have a lender of last resort. If a bank faces a liquidity problem, they can still borrow reserves from the central bank. If Tether faces a liquidity problem, it's likely that nobody will lend them money, their business will collapse and all tethers will be rendered worthless.

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> This is good news for quality cryptocurrency organizations. Are there any? I’m being honest and not snarky here: I’ve yet to see a single company in the space that’s not at least somewhat shady.

I haven't looked at it in any detail, but my impression was that shapeshift was fairly, uh, on the up and up? Iirc, the idea is you say you want x amount of cryptocurrency M sent to address A1, and you want to pay in cryptocurrency N, and it gives you an address B2 and a quantity y, and you send it, then they send it. With this set-up, I don't see much of a way for them to behave dishonestly that wouldn't be immediat…

Still around, still works that way.

I mine eth and/or zcash in small quantities. If I want to buy a small quantity of something else I use shapeshift. This way I hold no accounts anywhere.

'course I have no way to cash out, but then my holdings total less than 1 ETH so it's no big thing...

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> A foreign bank can hold USD without any US oversight If they hold it as hard cash, practically, sure. If they want to be allowed to send or receive wires and generally not get sanctioned by the United States, no. The U.S. Treasury claims international jurisdiction over U.S. dollars [1]. [1] https://cblr.columbia.edu/the-u-s-jurisdiction-over-transfer...

Definitely have suprising powers. I once sent a wire payment in USD from my Hong Kong company’s HSBC business bank account directly to my China company’s bank inside China, where my bank in China would convert it to renminbi. I was shocked to find out the bank wire was somehow held up in NYC! Blew my mind. Nothing to do with the USA in this transaction, except the USD. The reason the wire was held up? I had wrote the…

Looks like I've got a new special alternative to "for a good time" to use in the memo field of all the checks I don't write anymore.
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