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'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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The problem is sometimes mistakes happen in exam questions, from simple typos to impossible questions, etc. How is the student to know that this was a genuine question vs. a mistake?

How can it matter? If its unanswerable, its unanswerable for everyone.

that is the correct answer

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

#53

It sounds like the old programming interview questions: "Why are sewer covers round?", etc. They sound like they promote critical thinking, but really they just confuse the applicants. If you want to know how someone thinks, ask them to solve a problem step by step.

i only know from learning about it, but round manhole covers prevent them from falling through the hole by consisting of a curve of constant width. Another example is the Reuleaux Triangle which is a viable shape for manhole covers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuleaux_triangle

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Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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post #38

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> "Why are sewer covers round?" Because sewer access holes are round.

Because the manufacturer was cutting corners. ;-)

I read once that "Wendy's restaurants" used square burgers instead of round because they "don't cut corners".

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-are-wendys-burgers-square...

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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> Then there are the questions that, at first sight, do not seem to have all the information, yet they do. I love the following problem, in a similar vein: There are two chosen natural numbers x and y, both between 1 and 100. Two smart people, Alice and Bob, are told this fact, and Alice is secretly told x*y, and Bob is secretly told x+y, and they are also told who knows what. Then the following conversation happens:…

Before anyone else gets lost trying to solve this, the parent posted the puzzle incorrectly. The correct limits on the numbers are that: - Each of them is greater than 1, but their sum is less than 100

Still not all the information according to this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sum_and_Product_Puzzle

y > x is the last constraint

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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post #47

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There still isn't an answer to the problem.

Sure - in the form of bounds (older than...younger than). This is all about students being taught by rote, with right answers all neat and pat and solvable. Folks educated like that have a problem with questions like this one. Folks who can 'think outside the box' have no issue at all with uncertainty in the answer. Similarly, folks posting here who can or cannot see that this question is interesting and solvable (do…

How many 11 years olds could "sketch out that thought process [about an apprenticeship] for an answer"?

I certainly couldn't have done that.

One of the answers was "must be an adult", which still sets bounds. That sounds like a much more reasonable answer for an 11 year old, while it sounds like you think it's reasonable to require a tighter range. Why?

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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Read the article - there are several clues, and bounds can be calculated.

I read the article. The question is stated to be > "If a ship had 26 sheep and 10 goats onboard, how old is the ship's captain?" What 'clue' did I miss? The only other information is some speculation from a Weibo commenter who thinks that 26 sheep + 10 goats = 7700kgs. I supposed you could argue that these 5th grade students should know the minimum age required to have a commercial boat licence, but I couldn't tell y…

Rather than needing to know the probable weight of 26 sheep and 10 goats is 7700kgs, you need to know by what margin of error it's probably over 5000kg. And you not only need to know the minimum age of 28 yrs, but also the probable age distribution of people with commercial boat licences, in both China and other countries. Along with knowing risk factors such as piracy rates in areas of the world where live sheep and goats are transported, you can combine all this info into a statistical model useful for actuarial purposes. Perhaps the exam question was searching for primary school kids to fast-track for a career in China's growing Insurance industry.

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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post #55

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Before anyone else gets lost trying to solve this, the parent posted the puzzle incorrectly. The correct limits on the numbers are that: - Each of them is greater than 1, but their sum is less than 100

Still not all the information according to this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sum_and_Product_Puzzle y > x is the last constraint

That constraint is not necessary as the problem only asked for the two numbers, not the values of x and y respectively.

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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post #36

This sounds like a messed up variant of an actual solvable old riddle that goes something like: "Imagine that that you are the captain of a ship, there are 26 sheep and 10 goat on board... " ... go on for about 2 minutes talking about how the ship stops in different ports and how number of respective animals change... Add another animals as well, make the listener assume that they need to keep the count in their head…

(Ok, I will be that guy.)

So what is the solution?

Re: 'Unsolvable' exam question leaves Chinese students flummoxed

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post #36

This sounds like a messed up variant of an actual solvable old riddle that goes something like: "Imagine that that you are the captain of a ship, there are 26 sheep and 10 goat on board... " ... go on for about 2 minutes talking about how the ship stops in different ports and how number of respective animals change... Add another animals as well, make the listener assume that they need to keep the count in their head…

(Ok, I will be that guy.) So what is the solution?

Your age.
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