TwinGalaxies had quite the extensive writeup on Todd's various cheating [1]. There was a staggering amount of evidence, including TAS (Tool Assisted Speedruns) proving that Todd's time is physically impossible . That blew up in a 274-page thread, but ultimately I believe it took Robert T Mruczek's writeup to finally ban Todd.[1] Not surprising as Mcruzek is part of the "old guard". I think this reflected very poorly…
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#62This reminds me of the slimy feel I get about Billy Mitchell every time I see a video of him.
Reportedly, that's just a persona and he amped it up for the King of Kong film. But I definitely get where you're coming from.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ah, yes, the "human element", the same thing that leads people to believe they can beat a chess AI by "confusing it" by moving randomly. Still a surprisingly popular belief despite how easy it is to test the theory.
Didn't the inverse happen, Chess AI made a bunch of seemingly random bizzare moves, which confused their human opponents?
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Then the fact that all his records were referee verified instead of video verified. The referee is serving a sentence for child rape. While that's deplorable, it does not logically follow that a child molester is necessarily an unreliable referee.
I would argue that it does. Being a child molester shows a horrifically bad sense of judgement and a flagrant disregard for the law.
Carl was arrested for molesting his nine year-old son. He committed suicide in jail awaiting trial.
With that said, do we disregard all of the learning materials he created? Is their value inherently reduced to zero now that we know they were the product of a sick individual?
This isn't just an thought exercise. Carl was a real person. He had a Reddit board dedicated to his lessons and instructing people. His website has since lost its host and pretty much all the videos are gone from the web, save for p2p torrenting, because no one will be caught dead hosting videos from a child molestor, not matter how innocuous the videos themselves were.
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#65> Beyond the software analysis evidence, which speaks directly to Todd Rogers’s Dragster 5.51 score time I didn't understand this sentence: it means that, looking at the code and calculating all possibilities of gear changing moments, it would be impossible to achieve 5.51 ? If so, why would any other evidence be necessary ? Or, if it wasn't such analysis (and I think that this one would be definitive), why wasn't th…
Yes, the analysis proves 5.51 is impossible, and it's been confirmed that 5.57 is the best possible time through the use of an emulator with preprogrammed inputs, meaning that it plays the game perfectly. Todd Roger's response is that the analysis failed to consider the "human element" and how the console would respond to that.
An emulator with preprogrammed inputs doesn't mean it plays perfectly. It just means that it plays reproducibly. Whether or not it plays perfectly depends on the preprogrammed inputs.
How did they choose the inputs?
Looking at the game manual, it comes down to deciding when to shift, and deciding how to use the gas pedal.
Shifting looks like it is easy to deal with in emulated testing. You have neutral, 1, 2, 3, and 4. You start in neutral. So, an optimal run will start with you shifting once at t=0. You cannot down shift, so your only choice when shifting is up, and once you reach 4 you can no longer shift.
From another comment, it seems the game works in ticks of 3/100th second. That means that for a 6 second race, there are around 1.3 million possible shifting timings, assuming that you cannot skip gears.
For using the gas pedal, it looks like if you are not red lined, there are no circumstances where it would be better to not give it the gas. When red lined but at a time when your shifting plan calls for staying in the current gear, I can't tell from the manual what you should do. It says if you go past that you risk blowing the engine. What it doesn't say is if you get more power when going past the red line, so that it may be worth it.
Assuming that red line is max power, then when at red line but not shifting optimum would be to modulated the gas so as to keep it right at the red line.
For each shift pattern, it should be relatively easy to figure out when the gas has to switch between steady and modulated. Putting it all together that would give 1.3 million candidate inputs, one of which should be optimum.
If going past the red line does give more speed (at increased risk of engine blow out), it is more difficult. If engine blow out is probabilistic, you have to worry about the possibility that someone could get insanely lucky.
At that point, you probably need to analyze how the random number generator works, and how it is used, and how user inputs affect it. One particularly worrisome possibility would be that the timing of user input affects it. For example, if whenever the user presses or releases the gas it uses a random number to pick from several sounds associated with that action, that could be bad news. It would mean that the earlier analysis that the gas would optimally in each gear start out as constant and then switch modulated at the red line is no longer applicable. It could be that there is a run where if someone releases briefly the gas during the "constant" phase, that happens to get the random number generator to a position where they will get very lucky on the engine blow out rolls later.
If that meant we had to try every possible gas pattern, instead of just "constant followed by modulated", we'd have a combinatorial explosion.
Probably the best to do in this case (the "past the red line gives more speed, and the random number generator has a lot of user provided entropy" case) would be to tweak the emulator so that the engine cannot blow out, change the gas pedal input to simply be full gas all the time, and see what the results are. That would at least give us a lower bound on what the luckiest person in the universe could conceivably achieve.
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#66TwinGalaxies had quite the extensive writeup on Todd's various cheating [1]. There was a staggering amount of evidence, including TAS (Tool Assisted Speedruns) proving that Todd's time is physically impossible . That blew up in a 274-page thread, but ultimately I believe it took Robert T Mruczek's writeup to finally ban Todd.[1] Not surprising as Mcruzek is part of the "old guard". I think this reflected very poorly…
Wait what? I was with you until the last line and now I'm confused. Why does this reflect poorly on TG if they removed it when there was good evidence it was false?
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#67TwinGalaxies had quite the extensive writeup on Todd's various cheating [1]. There was a staggering amount of evidence, including TAS (Tool Assisted Speedruns) proving that Todd's time is physically impossible . That blew up in a 274-page thread, but ultimately I believe it took Robert T Mruczek's writeup to finally ban Todd.[1] Not surprising as Mcruzek is part of the "old guard". I think this reflected very poorly…
Wait what? I was with you until the last line and now I'm confused. Why does this reflect poorly on TG if they removed it when there was good evidence it was false?
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#68One thing that has maybe not been considered is that the Atari 2600 is susceptible to what's known in the online Atari community as 'frying', whereby cycling the power off and then back on very quickly while the console is running can lead to weird changes in the program state. Not saying this is what occurred, but it could be a possibility, depending on the code...
Reminds me of a controversial technique discovered in the TAS community. Start saving your savefile, then cut the power mid-write. Usually creates a savefile with a bad checksum, but with certain timing on certain games, can result in playable corrupt savefiles which can be used for a faster win. One of the reasons this idea is so controversial is the TAS community always assumes games should be played frame by frame…
Re: A man accused of cheating at video games may lose his Guinness World Record
#69TwinGalaxies had quite the extensive writeup on Todd's various cheating [1]. There was a staggering amount of evidence, including TAS (Tool Assisted Speedruns) proving that Todd's time is physically impossible . That blew up in a 274-page thread, but ultimately I believe it took Robert T Mruczek's writeup to finally ban Todd.[1] Not surprising as Mcruzek is part of the "old guard". I think this reflected very poorly…
Wait what? I was with you until the last line and now I'm confused. Why does this reflect poorly on TG if they removed it when there was good evidence it was false?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
I would argue that it does. Being a child molester shows a horrifically bad sense of judgement and a flagrant disregard for the law.
So, here's a thought experiment: consider "Carl H". Carl H ran the site computerscienceforeveryone.com. He was an incredibly passionate individual who spent his time creating free video tutorials on C programming. Along with these videos, he created supplementary materials, quizzes, and engaged with anyone who had questions. He even provided live one-on-one instruction to people over Skype, all for free. By all accou…
But for a referee putting down high scores from a video game, the referee's value stems entirely from the idea that the referee is a trustworthy observer.