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A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by mamon »

CapacitorSet wrote: post #36
spunker540 wrote: post #6

It’s amazing how quickly our Russian allies turned into our Cold War enemies at the end of WWII. I’ve heard a lot of blame on both sides, the US stockpiling arms, McCarthyism fanning the flames. But the end of this story drives home just how brutal Russia was. A wwii hero who not only deliberately went to Auschwitz for three years, organized prisoners, compiled intelligence reports, then escaped and fought bravely fo…

> But the end of this story drives home just how brutal Russia was. > it all ends up getting tortured and killed by Russians a few years after the war. Is it that brutal? Killing foreign spies is something not unheard of in this historical period (see eg. Klaus Fuchs, who stole nuclear secrets), the only difference is in the torture.

So Polish Resistance soldiers who so bravely fought Nazis are considered "foreign spies"? That's basically what Soviets were doing in Poland: arresting all the members of Polish Home Army [1] they could find and sentencing them to death. So yes, that's brutal and it makes the Red Army just another invader, not a "savior".

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Army#Postwar

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by bobthechef »

myth_drannon wrote: post #39
ferkad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just do not forget they joined Germany in the invasion of Poland in September 1939. Only because of the termination of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact by Nazies Soviets were forced to fight them.

And before that Germany and Poland joined forces together to invade Czechoslovakia....

Your insinuation is kind of grotesque.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by bobthechef »

olavk wrote: post #45
_m4r wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers Regarding that point, when Soviets were "freeing" Poland after Hitler's fall, it was really common for them to raid houses of polish civilians. They didn't only steal and kill, but also rape women, children, infants alike (even impale them on sticks). I'm living on territories close to the one of extermination camps and soviets really b…

> soviets really brought us more harm than nazis durning WW2 I presume you are not counting the three million Polish Jews who were murdered by the nazis?

Or the 3 million Polish gentiles that were also killed? Remember that Poland lost 6 million citizens.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by YouAreGreat »

yeukhon wrote: post #27
ransom1538 wrote: post #16

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When Americans arrived in Berlin they were quite horrified. Over 100,000 women in Berlin were systemically raped by Russian soliders [i]. As an American/Englishmen witnessing this and ordered not to intervene created hate and disdain for the Russian forces. The American forces had no concept of what the Russian forces endured -- still not an excuse for rape. Eventually generals on the western side began forming plans…

It is so sad that rape is a common war crime in every war since very ancient time. Rape during WW2 was probably one of the biggest crimes after mass genocide. I am familiar with the Japanese’s rape crime but this is the first time I am hearing about this. Allies are no exception. The psychology behind committing such crime is beyond the “sexual urge” excuse.

The evolutionary psychology of primitive war very likely includes these "reproductive opportunities". Going to war without benefit to the genes driving the impulse? We'd probably have stopped doing it a long time ago.

We'd like to replace these, uhm, traditional benefits of war with, say, increased status at home for veterans, but have such efforts been going on long enough to erase the underlying psychology?

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by ivanech »

quantumofmalice wrote: post #33
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bone of contention and a heavily discussed subject, because the world is not a black-and-white place. The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers, of which eight millions died, that the horror of WWII last only five years or so. All Europe and all world indeed should be grateful to them. On the other hand, there was the Stalinist regime, ruthless rule, killing one's own p…

If you can stomach it, you can read this: EDIT: removed link due to questions about author's truthfulness

The author of this book should be treated with extreme skepticism. His stated goal is to "free this world we call home from the Jewish slavery it now finds itself in for these past hundred years" by writing about the "real Holocaust" [i]. He writes about "racial reality" and "Jewish masters who want to flood Sweden with Third World trash" [ii]. His agenda is Nazi apologism and bald-faced antisemitism.

[i] https://chechar.wordpress.com/2015/05/01/the-hellstorm-proje...

[ii] http://thomasgoodrich.com/

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by olavk »

myth_drannon wrote: post #39
ferkad wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just do not forget they joined Germany in the invasion of Poland in September 1939. Only because of the termination of Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact by Nazies Soviets were forced to fight them.

And before that Germany and Poland joined forces together to invade Czechoslovakia....

Hungary also got a piece. All with the blessing of UK and France, but not the USSR which opposed the treaty. Presumably this is what forced the USSR to sign their own separate treaty with Germany. There is really a lot of blame to go around.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by _m4r »

olavk wrote: post #45
_m4r wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers Regarding that point, when Soviets were "freeing" Poland after Hitler's fall, it was really common for them to raid houses of polish civilians. They didn't only steal and kill, but also rape women, children, infants alike (even impale them on sticks). I'm living on territories close to the one of extermination camps and soviets really b…

> soviets really brought us more harm than nazis durning WW2 I presume you are not counting the three million Polish Jews who were murdered by the nazis?

This is very wide topic and I would like to not discuss it over Internet because I've had plenty of similar discussions with people I've met, and it would really require us to write essays :|

Soviets killed about six million of polish people (until 1956). Not to mention harm that was done to the polish culture, dignity, economy, science for the 45 years.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by quantumofmalice »

ivanech wrote: post #55
quantumofmalice wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can stomach it, you can read this: EDIT: removed link due to questions about author's truthfulness

The author of this book should be treated with extreme skepticism. His stated goal is to "free this world we call home from the Jewish slavery it now finds itself in for these past hundred years" by writing about the "real Holocaust" [i]. He writes about "racial reality" and "Jewish masters who want to flood Sweden with Third World trash" [ii]. His agenda is Nazi apologism and bald-faced antisemitism. [i] https://che…

Yeesh, I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for the info, I removed the link.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

code_duck wrote: post #43
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #28

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I'm not sure what the correct psychology is. Add together 'shell shock', depression, a continuous fear of impeding death, repeated exposure to unimaginable horrors, separation from home and family for years at a time, and despair at ever reuniting with your loved ones. I wonder at those able to endure all that, and end up anything like normal.

You also have to assume that a certain percentage of the soldiers would be or already have been rapists in civilian life, and now they perceive great opportunity in that regard. Edit - is this controversial? It’s simply a fact that some men do that, throughout history, in almost all cultures, hence the entire topic... Sometimes units of soldiers are even formed from criminals.

The assumption seems correct, but hardly significant in explaining the scale of the phenomenon.

Re: A Man Who Volunteered for Auschwitz (2012)

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Post by sofal »

quantumofmalice wrote: post #33
dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bone of contention and a heavily discussed subject, because the world is not a black-and-white place. The Red Army was indeed a savior. It is thanks to those masses of poor soldiers, of which eight millions died, that the horror of WWII last only five years or so. All Europe and all world indeed should be grateful to them. On the other hand, there was the Stalinist regime, ruthless rule, killing one's own p…

If you can stomach it, you can read this: EDIT: removed link due to questions about author's truthfulness

Yikes, that link sent me down a rabbit hole of white nationalism and Holocaust denial. No thanks.
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