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UK mass digital surveillance regime ruled unlawful

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Re: UK mass digital surveillance regime ruled unlawful

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Can anyone point to countries which are not going down this same route? In my head Europe is doing better with protecting privacy, but maybe that's just an impression. Canada? Not Australia. Japan?

Here is a good overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_and_survei...

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Can anyone point to countries which are not going down this same route? In my head Europe is doing better with protecting privacy, but maybe that's just an impression. Canada? Not Australia. Japan?

If I remember correctly, Europe relies on US to spy on it's people so technically they are not spying on their own people.

Personally, I find it unrealistic to expect that such huge opportunity(almost by the second log of citizens activities and opinions as well as precise control of who sees and hears what) will arise and the people in power will not exploit it.

China is taking a more direct route but in general it looks like the political elite's dreams are about to come true on global scale.

edit: HN really hated that idea :) I could not find the source of the claim but it makes sense to me.

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I know of very few British MPs, being a Canadian who watches occasionally British panel shows, but I do hear about Tom Watson fairly frequently and almost always for things I am in favor of. Now here he is championing the fight against mass surveillance as well.

British folks: is this guy eventually going to replace Corbyn? He seems likeable enough to. And he has a sense of humor- the first time I heard of him was when he was doing comedy bits with Five Second Films[0].

[0]https://youtu.be/Z4oNjTuTz-8

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Can anyone point to countries which are not going down this same route? In my head Europe is doing better with protecting privacy, but maybe that's just an impression. Canada? Not Australia. Japan?

If I remember correctly, Europe relies on US to spy on it's people so technically they are not spying on their own people. Personally, I find it unrealistic to expect that such huge opportunity(almost by the second log of citizens activities and opinions as well as precise control of who sees and hears what) will arise and the people in power will not exploit it. China is taking a more direct route but in general it…

> Europe relies on US to spy on it's people so technically they are not spying on their own people.

Where on earth did you get this idea? Are you suggesting European countries does not have police or intelligence agencies performing surveillance?

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Biggest problem IMO with this is that they left the data collection and storage to each ISP individually without any support. This results in a large surface area for security failure and the inevitable leak of this data into the public domain. I wrote my MP with these concerns but they wanted it on the cheap and forced it through.

I don't like that they're storing the data in general as even if they centralised it and secured it properly it'd still probably leak but they've more or less chosen the worst approach on top of recording information that they shouldn't be recording in the first place. Also its linked to billing account which is a lossy way to deriving who is actually looking at what and begs the question: "do you actually know what websites your children are visiting?". Because now those sites come up as places YOU (the bill payer) are going to. I'm looking forward to the "scandal" when MPs are "found" to visiting dubious sites when its really someone else in their household.

and everyone going anywhere vaguely dark with half-decent tech knowledge just switches to VPN undermining the whole premise. My MP was _very_ interested in that bit without realising that even if you close that loop hole we just invent another.

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I know of very few British MPs, being a Canadian who watches occasionally British panel shows, but I do hear about Tom Watson fairly frequently and almost always for things I am in favor of. Now here he is championing the fight against mass surveillance as well. British folks: is this guy eventually going to replace Corbyn? He seems likeable enough to. And he has a sense of humor- the first time I heard of him was wh…

He was handily at Glastonbury during one of the biggest anti-Corbyn plots, that many say he had a hand in.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I remember correctly, Europe relies on US to spy on it's people so technically they are not spying on their own people. Personally, I find it unrealistic to expect that such huge opportunity(almost by the second log of citizens activities and opinions as well as precise control of who sees and hears what) will arise and the people in power will not exploit it. China is taking a more direct route but in general it…

> Europe relies on US to spy on it's people so technically they are not spying on their own people. Where on earth did you get this idea? Are you suggesting European countries does not have police or intelligence agencies performing surveillance?

I'm not suggesting that.

The idea is that if a country can't do mass surveillance on it's own people due to political reasons, still can just let an ally do it and get that information from that ally as a part of information sharing agreement.

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