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Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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While it's great that they found a way to keep working on the project, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth personally because it feels like ultimate capitalism in play even when it comes to protocols like this. Status.im hasn't done much other than raised a huge round of ICO, so they're sitting on all this money they can use to buy out other "competitor" protocols. Sure, they have a prototype beta and I guess beta test…

[disclosure: I work on Matrix]

There is no acquisition here, nor any expectation to use Status token. The only idea is for both projects to help each other, and if Status can help financially Matrix might help otherwise (e.g. provide a bridge to Whisper, Ethereum’s own real-time communication protocol and as such exposing all of the Matrix ecosystem into Ethereum and vice versa; continue working on Olm/Megolm such that it could be used for E2E encryption in Status etc).

As Jarrad says in their blog, we are all trying to provide a decentralised Web and no one knows today how it will look like in the future. By supporting other opensource projects Status is only trying to move the needle and promote open solutions rather than proprietary ones.

We at Matrix are very glad that some projects use their ICO money for the greater good, and in this case it will allow us to spend all our time and focus on polishing Riot, getting Matrix out of beta, finalising end-to-end crypto, rather than open yet another battle front by doing an ICO, or getting distracted by raising more funds or doing too much consulting work. Matrix might get to an ICO some day, and/or New Vector might get enough revenues to be sustainable and able to support both Riot and core devs for Matrix. But these are later steps.

Our side of the story is here fwiw: https://matrix.org/blog/2018/01/29/status-partners-up-with-n...

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analytics is there, depending on platform it's either opt-in or opt-out. Android is opt-out for now, desktop seems to be opt-in. Not sure about web.

web and desktop are opt-out, but it all is very minimal and redacts anything personal - Dev who wrote Riot's Analytics

Also the latest development version adds transparency as to exactly what it collects

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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I have never heard of Status.im[0], but I'm glad that the Matrix protocol[1] and it's major[2] client implementation Riot.im[3]—received significant financial resources. We, a small group of tech-savvy people, tried to use Riot client in the early summer of 2017, but it was far from being convenient for work needs. Poor UI/UX, overcomplicated E2E-keys sharing, sluggish interface (Electron, as you might have guessed)…

Yes, riot sucks both in its current "desktop" implem (electron indeed) and the web version - tried it about two months back. You can tell there's possibly something worthwhile there though; eventually it may become usable for work. I found the way the software tries systematically to push the user towards the "official", centralized matrix server distasteful though.

> I found the way the software tries systematically to push the user towards the "official", centralized matrix server distasteful though.

Seems like they're simply trying to reduce friction for the on-boarding process to me. Characterising it as distasteful is taking the piss a bit.

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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I have never heard of Status.im[0], but I'm glad that the Matrix protocol[1] and it's major[2] client implementation Riot.im[3]—received significant financial resources. We, a small group of tech-savvy people, tried to use Riot client in the early summer of 2017, but it was far from being convenient for work needs. Poor UI/UX, overcomplicated E2E-keys sharing, sluggish interface (Electron, as you might have guessed)…

As an alternative, we've worked really hard on making E2E key management super easy: https://github.com/amark/gun/wiki/auth

It is P2P not federated though, and the UI might be worse or better depending on your tastes. ;)

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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I have never heard of Status.im[0], but I'm glad that the Matrix protocol[1] and it's major[2] client implementation Riot.im[3]—received significant financial resources. We, a small group of tech-savvy people, tried to use Riot client in the early summer of 2017, but it was far from being convenient for work needs. Poor UI/UX, overcomplicated E2E-keys sharing, sluggish interface (Electron, as you might have guessed)…

Status is one of the first "mobile chat app" cryptocurrencies to be funded with a ton of money via an ICO. It's actually why I was saying here about a year ago that Moxie the team should be putting Signal on the blockchain somehow if they want serious funding.

Once again we see that cryptocurrencies can be an extremely positive influence on open source projects through the funding they can provide.

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

web and desktop are opt-out, but it all is very minimal and redacts anything personal - Dev who wrote Riot's Analytics

Also the latest development version adds transparency as to exactly what it collects

Does riot.im will support 2FA?

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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Good. Seeing how XMPP basically came to a complete stall, may be Matrix can progress further.

I wonder why did you get that impression about XMPP, for me it's quite the opposite. Have you seen https://conversations.im/ ?

No progress on Muji XEP for years or stagnation of clients like KDE Telepathy and etc. all gives the impression that things aren't moving anywhere. Also, servers closing down (DDG one), Google letting federation rot by not enabling server to server encryption and etc. and etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of XMPP, but the lack of progress is quite upsetting.

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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How are they supposed to make money? I distrust for-profit messenger apps, no matter how good their intentions are. Sooner or later, they'll sell my data :(

I share your distrust, which is one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of Discord. I don't know where Riot's revenue will come from, but Matrix [1] (and Riot by extension [2]) support end-to-end encryption. As others have said you can also set up your own server. [1] https://matrix.org/blog/2016/11/21/matrixs-olm-end-to-end-en... [2] https://medium.com/@RiotChat/exciting-new-riot-release-get-r...

I absolutely wish Matrix could crush Discord. An entire generation of users came out burned by programs like Skype, Hangouts, MSM, Facebook Messenger, etc and then threw themselves eagerly into another closed ecosystem messenger just because it was one of the first to manage a really performant web client.

Re: Status.im Invests $5M in Riot.im

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I have never heard of Status.im[0], but I'm glad that the Matrix protocol[1] and it's major[2] client implementation Riot.im[3]—received significant financial resources. We, a small group of tech-savvy people, tried to use Riot client in the early summer of 2017, but it was far from being convenient for work needs. Poor UI/UX, overcomplicated E2E-keys sharing, sluggish interface (Electron, as you might have guessed)…

Yes, riot sucks both in its current "desktop" implem (electron indeed) and the web version - tried it about two months back. You can tell there's possibly something worthwhile there though; eventually it may become usable for work. I found the way the software tries systematically to push the user towards the "official", centralized matrix server distasteful though.

It is already usable, try it now and you'll be surprised.

Web version works smoothly on my 2009, 4gb ram laptop and the android version is faster than Whatsapp on my samsung galaxy 1.

Had no idea there was a desktop app, will try it out but why use that when the web version works so well?

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