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I did lightweight eng to law to heavyweight eng. It's really set me up (or at least changed peoples' perception of my skills) to do big picture stuff and make technical recommendations, like a CTO style role.
What's heavyweight eng?
I come from a family with several California lawyers (I am a lawyer as well) and see this transition from apprenticeship to law school in my family. My great, great uncle was a lawyer and a judge in a small town in the Bay Area. He never went to law school. His nephew, my grandfather, went to law school, but only needed a 2 year college degree to attend law school. He became the judge in the town after his uncle reti…
I've always felt if you can pass a notoriously hard Bar Examination, like the CA Bar; you should be allowed to practice law. (Maybe require a few ethics's classes, after a passing grade?)
Not saying I disagree, because I think the bar association is a cartel and everyone should be "allowed" to practice law. However, the reason the CA bar is "notoriously hard" is precisely because they allow anyone to sit for it. If lots of unqualified people take an exam and fail, it causes the passage rate to drop and makes the exam appear "harder."
It's well-known to be a harder bar exam (I have taken both it and NY, for an anecdotal data point).
This is fascinating to me because of the parallels to my own experience. Getting a high paying career in IT without even a college diploma. I've always felt IT was one of the only industries where this can fly (merit based rewards vs paper based reward system). Almost every job I've got in this industry (support, cloud, TAM, solutions architect) had steep requirements on paper that I did not meet, yet I got the job.
I come from a family with several California lawyers (I am a lawyer as well) and see this transition from apprenticeship to law school in my family. My great, great uncle was a lawyer and a judge in a small town in the Bay Area. He never went to law school. His nephew, my grandfather, went to law school, but only needed a 2 year college degree to attend law school. He became the judge in the town after his uncle reti…
This is a very insightful comment. In my opinion one of the largest shortcomings of our system of minting new lawyers is a lack of practical training. While doctors generally must both go to medical school and complete an internship and/or residency in order to treat patients, a freshly licensed lawyer can represent someone without previously having ever entered a courthouse, drafted a will, or taken a deposition. I…
While the American Bar Association certainly dose not use violence the whole system stinks like a protection racket. The fact they pushed states to enact a form regulatory capture is pretty messed up. Then add the fact apprenticeships are not the norm so these lawyers are not making as much. Overall, it's quite silly and sad.
Yes it's terrible the ABA has created a system that rigorously weeds out unqualified individuals, polices it's professional members ethics and uses education and testing to ensure all lawyers have a solid baseline education. Terrible! I wish software engineerers had an actual equivalent to the ABA, and no the ACM doesn't count.
I would also like to see some certification for actual software engineers. Also wish that businesses would not be allowed cheap out and rush software development. Partly, why I prefer hardware. The timelines why still may be fast are more reasonable.
While the American Bar Association certainly dose not use violence the whole system stinks like a protection racket. The fact they pushed states to enact a form regulatory capture is pretty messed up. Then add the fact apprenticeships are not the norm so these lawyers are not making as much. Overall, it's quite silly and sad.
Who the ABA hurts is lawyers. Requiring a JD, as opposed to just an undergraduate degree as is common in Europe, allows law schools to capture a lot of the lifetime income of lawyers.
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Yes it's terrible the ABA has created a system that rigorously weeds out unqualified individuals, polices it's professional members ethics and uses education and testing to ensure all lawyers have a solid baseline education. Terrible! I wish software engineerers had an actual equivalent to the ABA, and no the ACM doesn't count.
I was not implying letting unqualified individuals practice law. They still have to pass the bar apprentice. Are we seriously going to claim school is the only way people can learn? I would also like to see some certification for actual software engineers. Also wish that businesses would not be allowed cheap out and rush software development. Partly, why I prefer hardware. The timelines why still may be fast are more…
1.) shaping a person's mind to be critical of presented facts and evidence.
2.) develop good skills in the art of arguing.
3.) develop good skills for legal research and dealing with changing laws.
Personally, I am skeptical someone who has not gone to law school is going to be good at those things and that's why I think law school sets a high baseline and is a good thing even if it is expensive.
Who has switched from Software Engineering to Law? I'm considering it because of the lack of women in software engineering, and the multitudes in Law.
Otherwise, feel free to ping me, happy to chat about it.
Who has switched from Software Engineering to Law? I'm considering it because of the lack of women in software engineering, and the multitudes in Law.
I did, although I have never really given up engineering. Happy to help if you have questions. See my email in my profile.