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Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by mykull »

jp555 wrote: post #240
djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

“And nihilism isn't a bad thing.“ Becoming unwilling to manifest any faith in anything at all is absolutely a bad thing.

Of course "people of faith" are going to chime in and say nihilism is evil... Also, you have to give yourselves up to Jesus to do good or be happy.

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by Gnarl »

Findeton wrote: post #103
trendia wrote: post #60

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> we should easily see it. Note, I'm not saying there is an effect, but it's not quite so easy to say we should have found it if it exists. First, there is a delay between radiation exposure and cancer risk (up to ten years). Second, if all population centers experience the same increase in radiation exposure, then it is very difficult to use radiation as an independent variable to measure its impact on cancer. For i…

Non-ionizing radiation, like the one from cell towers or your smartphone (or radio signals, or TV, or even from power lines) does not cause cancer. It just can't cause cancer, as it can't even rip off a single electron from an atom (definition of non-ionizing).

I think you urgently need to see this then: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26151230 (hint: its a indirect effect)

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Post by Gnarl »

cornholio wrote: post #363
ramblenode wrote: post #268

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Heating was an example to demonstrate that non-ionizing radiation still impacts tissue. It doesn't make sense to dismiss a possible link between cancer and RF emitting devices just because we don't understand all the mediating mechanisms in that relationship. A lack of understanding is not negative evidence. And the fact that I can't disprove your butterfly theory is not a reason that simpler theories (phone usage ~…

> A lack of understanding is not negative evidence Clearly, but anybody claiming the spooky action effect needs to accept the burden of proof and produce positive evidence. When that necessitates new ways of physical interaction unknown to science, it's a colossal burden, likely to have far reaching implications and revolutionize multiple fields; it's highly unlikely that such positive evidence was ignored for the de…

You, also, need to see this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26151230

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by c8d3f7b49897918 »

dzjkb wrote: post #323
c8d3f7b49897918 wrote: post #298

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> Realizing that you can live your life as you wish is amazing. You aren't taking nihilism seriously enough.

Care to elaborate instead of repeating yourself?

nihilism is not liberating or joyful, that is squishy lastman talk

it drove nietzsche insane, and he was much smarter and greater than any of us

nihilism is terrible and heroic and demonic, and possibly true

but i don't think so

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by mykull »

jp555 wrote: post #394
abritinthebay wrote: post #251

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That... is not what Nihilism is though? I mean someone who is a nihilist might think that but it’s not a logical consequence of, or foundational feature of, nihilism.

Humans focus on what they look at, compounding into a perspective, belief, and actions. You can’t work to think nothing is of any consequence and simultaneously work to build anything of value (family, friendships, business, intellect, etc). Nihilism is the abolishment of value systems. Nothing matters. Building things of value requires a system to evaluate value.

No, nihilism is the denial of any intrinsic value, we are still all free to make up and agree on our own values if we want, but it would be because we decided to, as untethered things in a meaningless expanse.

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Post by wilsonnb »

matte_black wrote: post #286
malux85 wrote: post #181

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Comp-Sci/Electrical Engineers - I've never seen any of them without a smartphone, or even heard them talk about their friends switching. Sounds like a good idea though :)

I would try switching to a flip phone but the problem is I want a cool modern flip phone not something that looks vintage.

It's not a flip phone, but I quite like the way the new Nokia 3310 looks. Simple but modern.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/nokia-3310-3g-cell-phone-unlock...

Re: With teen mental health deteriorating over five years, there’s a likely culprit

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Post by mykull »

tboyd47 wrote: post #246
djsumdog wrote: post #228

Before I even started reading, I knew it was going to be an attack at the phone. A few centuries ago, they'd attack books. Look back at videos from the 1950s and people didn't talk to each other on the train back then either, their noses were in books, magazines and newspapers. By the 80s, the nerdy kids had headphones and cassette players. By the 90s, people had discmans. The trouble with articles like this is they…

It's not just the nerdy kids, though. It's all kids. Smartphones are teen culture now. It all takes place online. It's kinda hard to imagine a society where all meaningful interaction takes place online that's not massively depressing.

I don't think that's hard to imagine. I'm imagining it right now. I don't think we're going to get there without some strange forces acting on us, and idk if that's a society I want, but we are more malleable than we give ourselves credit for. People seem to think that life as we know it is life in all it's possibilities rather than one permutation of an infinite mess of dissimilar outcomes. I think the things we struggle over which will determine our future are battles of coincidence and not fated. I don't think communism and capitalism needed to compete through their representative nations in the cold war, that was just the way we dressed up a power struggle, where power struggles are the actual predictable thing.

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Post by guskel »

sotojuan wrote: post #392
joejerryronnie wrote: post #347

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Perhaps there's a difference if you meet someone who is already successful or who's past accomplishments you admire versus that idiot in high school who barely passed chemistry by cheating off your answers, exibited the worst of the sexist jock/bro mentality, skated by on his good looks and is now driving a lambo and married to a supermodel.

I can't understand why someone over 25 that has a decent career (assuming you are a programmer since it's HN) would still care about what some chad from high school is doing. Worrying about how "unfair" life is is an energy and time black hole.

because your life isn't just your career.

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Post by zbentley »

jcoffland wrote: post #336
jraby3 wrote: post #318

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I'm not on social media aside from Reddit. But what I notice with my wife and others is a simple reason why I dislike it. If you have 400 friends, and they each only take one vacation a year, that means 8x per week, you're looking at other people taking a vacation. Even if you travel 4x per year, you'll still feel like you never do anything and everyone else is always celebrating their life. I realize this is a simpl…

> wears you down over time. You might also want to look at why other people's happens or success makes you feel bad. It's a very common feeling but it's unhealthy and a sign that you have poor self-esteem.

That may be true, but poor self-esteem is dramatically more common among young/developing people trying to figure out their place in the world. There are plenty of exceptions to that in both ways (young people with great self-esteem, older people without it), but I think that kids/teenagers will always be uniquely susceptible to ego "body blows" of the sort that social media makes very easy to receive.

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Post by zbentley »

lsc wrote: post #356
madaxe_again wrote: post #321

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Nope. I was educated mostly at public (private) school in the UK, and spent a year at a private school in the US. I was ruthlessly mocked until I learned to dissemble, to not put my hand up to answer a question, to be publicly told off by teachers for not handing in work. The reason is simple - if you make others feel inferior, by being better at anything in any way than them, they hate and envy you.

>The reason is simple - if you make others feel inferior, by being better at anything in any way than them, they hate and envy you. If that were true, the sports stars would not have been popular

I think there's a "social proximity" effect to it.

If you see someone you consider immensely superior to yourself on TV, for example, you're likely to consider yourself either disconnected (and not threatened) by them, or entertain a fantasy of "I could be that someday" (see: most Americans).

Alternatively, if you see someone you consider even slightly superior to yourself who is situated similarly in social hierarchy to you, or who you encounter as a peer or near-peer in your everyday life (e.g. a classmate, friend, or sibling), the threat response is much stronger.

I don't know why this is (maybe "this person maybe could take my food/resources/whatever, notices me, and is materially able to take from me" versus "this person definitely could take my food/resources/whatever but does not know me and is not materially able to take from me" brain-stem thinking?)

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