My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac • Hacker News Board

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by rdl » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 10:01 AM UTC

_nalply wrote: post #14

The only thing that still keeps me MacOS is the trackpad. When my MBA 13" breaks, I will just replace it with another MBA 13", which I already did two times. One got orange juice, the other vomit of my son. But what if the MBA 13" is not available anymore? It will be somewhat difficult for me to find a replacement. Perhaps a Surface Book but will xfce handle the trackpad as smoothly as the MBA? But how to find out fo…

Microsoft Stores tend to have the surface books for demo. You could boot from USB to try xfce. You can also just buy one from a store with a lenient return policy.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by ksec » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 10:10 AM UTC

dotsh wrote: post #9

Good for you, still millions of users will by apple products because they are simple to use out of box. People here are only thinking about their power user experience forgetting that most users don't give a damn about that and are whining that apple forget about "pro" users. Apple never was design for being pro. Also argument about cost is silly. Apple products cost almost the same as high-end computers are Samsung…

Well another reason most Pros chooses Apple is because of its Hardware quality. Not just paper Spec, but the actual quality of hardware, from power supply, USB plugs, keyboard, trackpad, Screen and many others.

Apple used to have many best in the Notebook segments. The problem is ( no idea why ) HP and Dell which dont used to compete on quality now has fairly decent Notebooks.

And since Apple has stepped back in a few areas, all of a sudden the price becomes a little hard to swallow. Arguably Windows has gotten better as well, while the macOS seems to be, having more and more unnecessary issues.

One way I dont buy the sales matrix argument, there are more people drawn into the Apple Mac ecosystem then ever, thanks to iPhone. Apple is now a luxury brand, and people will buy into the brand whether it is the best or good enough. And for certain older Apple users would remember:

It's a bar of excellence that merely good isn't good enough. It has to be great.

- Steve Jobs.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by beegeezuz » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 10:21 AM UTC

My next cup of tea is not going to be Pukka - is the name of my next book.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by parski » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 10:30 AM UTC

I'm sure the vast majority of consumers hate the Touch Bar because they're used to the escape key when they Vim.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by jitl » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 11:32 AM UTC

Context: this guy maintains a version of Firefox for PowerPC Macs, TenFourFox. He’s enough of a POWER architecture die-hard that he complains about $1800 laptops, but is cool to plunk down $4800 on a new POWER9 workstation that will run none of the 68k Mac OS tools that he finds speedy.

Modern Apple has plenty of faults, but shipping x64 machines is not high up my list.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by _nalply » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 11:39 AM UTC

rdl wrote: post #21

_nalply wrote: post #14

The only thing that still keeps me MacOS is the trackpad. When my MBA 13" breaks, I will just replace it with another MBA 13", which I already did two times. One got orange juice, the other vomit of my son. But what if the MBA 13" is not available anymore? It will be somewhat difficult for me to find a replacement. Perhaps a Surface Book but will xfce handle the trackpad as smoothly as the MBA? But how to find out fo…

Microsoft Stores tend to have the surface books for demo. You could boot from USB to try xfce. You can also just buy one from a store with a lenient return policy.

Good idea! Will try this out.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by herbst » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 11:44 AM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #13

My computer after MacBook Pro is PC with i5 7600 and I couldn't be happier. Total cost was around $1200 and I got much more powerful system than my old MacBook for which I paid $2500. Processor is not throttled mobile nonsense. I bought 16 GB RAM for few hundred bucks and if I want, I can buy another 16GB and put it there. Windows 10 is actually good enough (it's the first Windows that's actually quite usable for me)…

I have a 6yo T420 with a Samsung SSD and 16GB of RAM. It was $400 with a new battery. It easily outperforms the MBP 2015 monster I had before on my daily programming tasks.

Point being. Most hardware is overkill anyway. You'll want enough RAM and the fastest SSD you can afford.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by PuffinBlue » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 12:18 PM UTC

herbst wrote: post #27

vbezhenar wrote: post #13

My computer after MacBook Pro is PC with i5 7600 and I couldn't be happier. Total cost was around $1200 and I got much more powerful system than my old MacBook for which I paid $2500. Processor is not throttled mobile nonsense. I bought 16 GB RAM for few hundred bucks and if I want, I can buy another 16GB and put it there. Windows 10 is actually good enough (it's the first Windows that's actually quite usable for me)…

I have a 6yo T420 with a Samsung SSD and 16GB of RAM. It was $400 with a new battery. It easily outperforms the MBP 2015 monster I had before on my daily programming tasks. Point being. Most hardware is overkill anyway. You'll want enough RAM and the fastest SSD you can afford.

I hope you're right, I just bought an IBM stamped (so maybe not Lenovo made) T61p off ebay to have a go with. It's not arrived yet but every review says the hardware is bulletproof.

I know it's very old but hopefully once I've finished putting the SSD in and a lightweight Linux distro it'll be enough to work on.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by lj3 » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 1:28 PM UTC

herbst wrote: post #27

vbezhenar wrote: post #13

My computer after MacBook Pro is PC with i5 7600 and I couldn't be happier. Total cost was around $1200 and I got much more powerful system than my old MacBook for which I paid $2500. Processor is not throttled mobile nonsense. I bought 16 GB RAM for few hundred bucks and if I want, I can buy another 16GB and put it there. Windows 10 is actually good enough (it's the first Windows that's actually quite usable for me)…

I have a 6yo T420 with a Samsung SSD and 16GB of RAM. It was $400 with a new battery. It easily outperforms the MBP 2015 monster I had before on my daily programming tasks. Point being. Most hardware is overkill anyway. You'll want enough RAM and the fastest SSD you can afford.

I have a 4 year old W530 and I built my own PC this year for the first time in over a decade. There's no comparison. If you can deal with the lack of portability, you'll see a huge benefit.

Also, if you're a programmer, there's no such thing as "most hardware is overkill anyway." Not in this age of bloated and slow software and tools. It's worth it anytime you can shave a couple of seconds off the time it takes to compile and/or interpret software. When it's something you do a couple hundred times a day, the time you save adds up fast.

Re: My next laptop isn't gonna be a Mac

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Post by lj3 » Mon, Jan 29, 2018, 1:29 PM UTC

_lbaq wrote: post #7

My next laptop became a Threadripper desktop and the old laptop is only used for travel now. Here is a PC-Partpicker recipe for my Threadripper machine. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/6JRNJV 1x Corsair 600Q (Can really recommend this case) 1x ASUS Prime X399-A Socket TR4 E-ATX 1x AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X s-TR4 1x Corsair Hydro Series H100i v2 CPU Cooler 1x Samsung 960 Pro 512GB M.2 PCI Express 3.0 x4 (NVMe) 1x Sea…

Any opinions on going Threadripper over dual xeon?